Meh. I've listened to videos with other ATC programs and all of them sound like garbage. Default, that is. For Pilot2ATC however I have bought several voice packs and they don't sound nowhere near as terrible as the other programs. They sound pretty decent. Not sure if those allow other voices. Pilot2atc uses windows voices but again....you can buy or find decent voices like I did.

Anywho, pilot2atc may not control AI but I don't really care. It doesn't need to. I'd rather have a solid functioning ATC with good voices. Maps, IFR, VFR, touch and goes....

There is no need to mess with the registry. Just get the voice packs and you have a fully functioning ATC program to the point where you don't need littlenavmap as P2atc comes with a bunch of maps, visuals of AI traffic and even warns you of other traffic.

Oh, and if you set your alt, gs and climb/descend rates accurately, the TOD will be pretty close.

I use it for VFR and IFR. It has moving maps, shows the gates, taxiways etc matches to the sim weather etc. I can't praise it enough and Dave is very...very responsive and helpful with the program. In fact, I have never encountered a developer that was this helpful.

Edited May 4, 20233 yr by Sonosusto

On 4/29/2023 at 5:27 AM, Bobsk8 said:

The robotic voices are a real turnoff for me. 

Anything out in the market ATC related is phonetical garbage. Maybe procedurally they're close, but if they don't sound like a real deal, it isn't worth my money. The only add-on that ever came close phonetically to reality was Radar Contact. I miss it dearly. 

3 hours ago, Sonosusto said:

Anywho, pilot2atc may not control AI but I don't really care. It doesn't need to. I'd rather have a solid functioning ATC with good voices.

🤔 I keep finding it rather funny how a lot of flight simmers think it's of no importance if an AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL addon does NOT actually CONTROL THE TRAFFIC. How can you call an addon that does not actually do ATC "a solid functioning ATC"? I just don't get it. If the addon does NOT control traffic it is NOT a solid functioning addon by definition.

People have grown accustomed to ATC addons not controlling traffic and now they think that's okay... while that obviously has never been okay: it's always been a huge discrepancy in ATC software. Is FSHud perfect? Absolutely not. But it actually does what an ATC addon should and it's being worked and getting better and better. But as usual: to each his own. 😉

3 hours ago, Sonosusto said:

Meh. I've listened to videos with other ATC programs and all of them sound like garbage. Default, that is. For Pilot2ATC however I have bought several voice packs and they don't sound nowhere near as terrible as the other programs. They sound pretty decent. Not sure if those allow other voices. Pilot2atc uses windows voices but again....you can buy or find decent voices like I did.

Anywho, pilot2atc may not control AI but I don't really care. It doesn't need to. I'd rather have a solid functioning ATC with good voices. Maps, IFR, VFR, touch and goes....

There is no need to mess with the registry. Just get the voice packs and you have a fully functioning ATC program to the point where you don't need littlenavmap as P2atc comes with a bunch of maps, visuals of AI traffic and even warns you of other traffic.

Oh, and if you set your alt, gs and climb/descend rates accurately, the TOD will be pretty close.

I use it for VFR and IFR. It has moving maps, shows the gates, taxiways etc matches to the sim weather etc. I can't praise it enough and Dave is very...very responsive and helpful with the program. In fact, I have never encountered a developer that was this helpful.

Good  thing  about  p2a  you  don't  need  to program what  you  want  to  do  during  the  flight  just need  to  talk  to  the  controller  on  what  you  want  to do,

Edited May 4, 20233 yr by pete_auau

10 minutes ago, pete_auau said:

Good  thing  about  p2a  you  don't  need  to program what  you  want  to  do  during  the  flight  just need  to  talk  to  the  controller  on  what  you  want  to do,

Just as FSHud, excluding the talking part. 😉 But I thought P2ATC requires you to enter stuff like SID and STAR (a.o.) before you can start a flight? From the video's I've seen I seem to recall it required quite a bit of input before you could get started. (PF3 requires even more input, IIRC.)

9 minutes ago, tup61 said:

Just as FSHud, excluding the talking part. 😉 But I thought P2ATC requires you to enter stuff like SID and STAR (a.o.) before you can start a flight? From the video's I've seen I seem to recall it required quite a bit of input before you could get started. (PF3 requires even more input, IIRC.)

When  you import  it  from simbrief  it loads  the take off  runway and  sid   and  also the  star  but  no the  landing  runway   you  can  set  it  your  self  or  wait  and  request  it  during  flight

Edited May 4, 20233 yr by pete_auau

1 hour ago, pete_auau said:

When  you import  it  from simbrief  it loads  the take off  runway and  sid   and  also the  star  but  no the  landing  runway   you  can  set  it  your  self  or  wait  and  request  it  during  flight

Okay, I must have watched old video's then. 👍

2 hours ago, tup61 said:

Just as FSHud, excluding the talking part. 😉 But I thought P2ATC requires you to enter stuff like SID and STAR (a.o.) before you can start a flight? From the video's I've seen I seem to recall it required quite a bit of input before you could get started. (PF3 requires even more input, IIRC.)

I would be nice if people wouldn't claim something about PF3 that just is not true. All you have to input into PF3 is your flight plan, which I do with simbrief. You can either choose whether nor not you want to fly a Sid or a Star, with a check box.. If you don't want to fly a Sid or STAR, PF3 will give you vectors for departure and approach. In addition you don't have a large UI popping up on the screen, while you are flying, ruining the immersion.  

2 hours ago, pete_auau said:

When  you import  it  from simbrief  it loads  the take off  runway and  sid   and  also the  star  but  no the  landing  runway   you  can  set  it  your  self  or  wait  and  request  it  during  flight

How can you load a star if you don't know the landing runway?

33 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I would be nice if people wouldn't claim something about PF3 that just is not true. All you have to input into PF3 is your flight plan, which I do with simbrief. You can either choose whether nor not you want to fly a Sid or a Star, with a check box.. If you don't want to fly a Sid or STAR, PF3 will give you vectors for departure and approach. In addition you don't have a large UI popping up on the screen, while you are flying, ruining the immersion.  

If you want to fly a SID or STAR in PF3 you need to select in a menu the start and end of the SID or STAR. Then you are cleared for a DP Sid or ST Star. If you want to use a real life SID or Star it gets even more complicated because you need to even program it yourself.

If you want to listen back what atc said to you have to press a key combination and then get the last communications from youre taskbar or you can install remotetext, which I had running on a different PC with PF3 over a network.

Don't understand me wrong I don't want to bash PF3 but if you say it has a easy and modern userfriendly interface, I really can not agree with you at all!

It is great that you can press one key at the start but what if you want to change flightlevel or a direct? Then you have to press a hotkey which has different commands for ground, approach, tower, center and you need a PDF file with it to check if you select the right thing.

For example you need to learn by heart or from a PDF:
(And there are more then 10 hotkeys)

Hotkey '5'
A multifunctional key dependant on the ATC facility you're tuned to:-
Ground
Used to announce you are clear of the runway and request taxi instructions
Tower
Used to request the option (touch 'n' go)
Departure
Used to request a lower altitude due to turbulence
Approach
Used to request a lower altitude due to turbulence
Multicom
Used to announce you are clear of the runway
Unicom
Used to announce you are clear of the runway
FSS
Used to request the Local Radar Control Frequency

Or you can install a PF3 Display Utility programm, which is a seperate programm to show you this options, sorry but am I the only one who thinks this is overly complicated?

Edited May 4, 20233 yr by rob0203

9 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

How can you load a star if you don't know the landing runway?

you get assigned  a  rwy  by  p2a

31 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I would be nice if people wouldn't claim something about PF3 that just is not true. All you have to input into PF3 is your flight plan, which I do with simbrief. You can either choose whether nor not you want to fly a Sid or a Star, with a check box.. If you don't want to fly a Sid or STAR, PF3 will give you vectors for departure and approach. In addition you don't have a large UI popping up on the screen, while you are flying, ruining the immersion.  

Hm, okay, well, from what I've seen it seems you need to add SIDs and STARs manually into PF3... seems like a lot of work. I found the PF3 manual quite overwhelming in this (and other) regards. 😉 Perhaps you only need too manually the procedures if you want ATC to use the correct naming...? Not sure. Sounds odd anyway. Of course you can do it all without thinking about it by now. 😉

But hey, no one is asking you to drop PF3 and start using FSHud! Or any other ATC addon. Just use what you like most. 😉

Edited May 4, 20233 yr by tup61

On 4/29/2023 at 10:46 PM, Violins77 said:

Thank you all for your inputs.  I'm tempted to try FSHUD, I'm just curious if basic features like airport request to land are available in VFR. 

I bet you are sorry you asked. The forum is to offer help, instead a war starts when someone asks for help. I wonder what would happen if  the friends realised msfs2020 is  only a game. 

Edited May 4, 20233 yr by rwy12

12 minutes ago, rwy12 said:

I bet you are sorry you asked. The forum is to offer help, instead a war starts when someone asks for help. I wonder what would happen if  the friends realised msfs2020 is  only a game. 

That is a really good point! I apologize if the discussion got a little heated but a discussion is still something different then a war. And I think we all are very passionate about are hobby and it is still a forum where you can have different opinions. And that is what was asked for: opinions about Atc software.

But yes let in the first place people feel welcome to get help!

Edited May 4, 20233 yr by rob0203

It's all good. Some people get a little bent out of shape for their "chosen" program. I don't really care. I am mostly interested in the simulation and flying aspect. Talking to non-default voice for requesting clearance is pretty nice. If my ATC program doesn't talk directly to traffic then I guess I am just not used to it. Again, not for me. Hell....half the time I don't have any time to set up a full flight.

Also, there is the price to consider.

FShud is about half the price of pilot2atc.

Edited May 5, 20233 yr by Sonosusto