why is anybody still using P3D

[turbomax 3,287]

18 minutes ago, jlohrenz said:

Did this same question get posted in the FS2004, FSX, and XP forums as well?

not interested in those nor interested in any "mine vs. yours" post that would get this thread locked pretty soon, but wanted to hear why people are still using P3D and what their priorities are, considering P3Ds outdated graphics and lower performance (no modern GPU support).

[turbomax 3,287]

14 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

when MSFS is complete funding from MS will stop Phill has said as much on an interview about supporting third party studios.

P3Dv6 better be out by then. 😀

[shivers9 1,174]

31 minutes ago, turbomax said:

no need to ask since I use it myself and know pretty well why users use it. it has been updated and new features added to it ever since, while this P3D update could be the last one.

I was wondering how much time you have spent in a real life airplane other than riding in the back of a tube liner. C150...172....182 or others. Have you experienced that moment where an instructor introduced you to an IFR Hood. Have you experienced things like stalls and spins. I suspect not. If not it might explain why it is hard for you to relate to how we react to and use P3d. It is not a bad thing if you never have. It just means that those of us who have at least some experience in real life flying are going to have different ideas in what we like about the different Sims.  

Edited June 5, 2023 by shivers9

[Ray Proudfoot 8,980]

40 minutes ago, turbomax said:

Concorde in MSFS could probably be quite successful.

It could also be a support nightmare for FSL as it has to be flown in a very different way to subsonic Boeing and Airbus.

41 minutes ago, turbomax said:

Radar Contact: don't know why nobody has ported that over to MSFS, but I think you might be pretty much the only one still using it.

It requires a compatible SimConnect plus MakeRwys to interrogate the airport, runway and frequencies data. I doubt I’m the only one still using it.

44 minutes ago, turbomax said:

I found performance on my new pc with AMD 7800x3D runs P3D totally smooth with everything maxed similar to MSFS (without FrameGeneration that is), but at the price of antique graphics.

I’m not surprised with that CPU / GPU. P3D graphics aren’t antique if they show roads, coastlines, rivers and decent enough clouds courtesy of Hi-Fi. Expect that to improve possibly in v6.

Anyway, you have my reasons why I’m happy to stay with P3D. As they say, not everything is about looks. The overall picture has to be taken into consideration.

[turbomax 3,287]

3 hours ago, Sparkrite said:

wonder how long this thread will stay open for?

as long as users behave and reply without "mine is better than yours" attitude. try it, it's not that hard.

[turbomax 3,287]

2 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

As they say, not everything is about looks. The overall picture has to be taken into consideration.

that and your other 10 points is exactly what I wanted to hear. thanks!

[turbomax 3,287]

2 hours ago, d.tsakiris said:

"Why does anyone use xyz" implies no one has a reason to use xyz.

Ray Proudfoot just mentioned his 10 reasons, some never occurred to me but I found them quite interesting.

[Doug47 574]

13 minutes ago, turbomax said:

as long as users behave and reply without "mine is better than yours" attitude. try it, it's not that hard.

Which is really what you’re doing. 
 

P3D is considered a simulator by a pretty large company that makes some pretty serious hardware and flying objects.  
 

MSFS isn’t. 
 

And that’s why many still use it. 

[GSalden 4,673]

Up to Jan 21 I used P3Dv5.

When MSFS was released I was sceptical at first. After 2,5 years I am really happy with it as it shows the groundtextures + custom AG that I missed in P3D. 

I spent € 1000 + on Addons and had to start over but imho it was worth it.Just look at my vids (signature) where there are vids with both P3D and MSFS.

It doesn’t matter what Sim one uses ; if you are happy with it that’s all that counts ….

[Papacoach 75]

Contentment..., why would I buy a 2023 BMW when my 2018 Mercedes Benz provides everything I'm looking for in a driving experience? I've driven the '23 Beemer, and flown MSFS, but getting back in the Mercedes, and flying P3D brings me more than enough satisfaction. 

Your curiosity is great if it is your real motive. I'm not so sure that explaining the features and benefits of driving the Benz would resonate with you. I would simply offer you a test drive to address your curiosity. Then you can say "Yes, I can see why you like this car" or "no, this car definitely isn't for me, and I can't understand why you like". At that point I'd say cool, and good luck finding what brings you satisfaction.

[GSalden 4,673]

3 minutes ago, Papacoach said:

Contentment..., why would I buy a 2023 BMW when my 2018 Mercedes Benz provides everything I'm looking for in a driving experience? I've driven the '23 Beemer, and flown MSFS, but getting back in the Mercedes, and flying P3D brings me more than enough satisfaction. 

Your curiosity is great if it is your real motive. I'm not so sure that explaining the features and benefits of driving the Benz would resonate with you. I would simply offer you a test drive to address your curiosity. Then you can say "Yes, I can see why you like this car" or "no, this car definitely isn't for me, and I can't understand why you like". At that point I'd say cool, and good luck finding what brings you satisfaction.

Then P3D is more than enough for you.

Myself I am using Prosim a 737 cockpit suite that runs outside P3D/MSFS. So the ac feels the same. What it left to compare is the outside world.

Don’t you want to see the same as when flying in a real ac and looking outside ?  

Myself , with each holiday I am sitting next to the window and enjoy the outside view …

Hopefully P3Dv6 will bring the good things of V5 with a more real outside world …✈️

[Papacoach 75]

1 minute ago, GSalden said:

Don’t you want to see the same as when flying in a real ac and looking outside ?  

I see close to reality at all the payware airports I own. I experience close to reality during the climb to high altitude in all the payware aircrafts I own. Looking out the window at high altitude I still see close to reality. My immersion is sometimes killed by the inconsistency in terrain in both sims. However, I seem to forgive P3D more easily than MSFS for the issue. I can tolerate the tile repetition more than I can tolerate the color inconsistency I guess. I also struggle with photogrammetry issues in the distance. It just doesn't look right ever to me.

You've always been a photo-real enthusiast so it makes complete sense that you've made the change. 

[johncott 177]

Stability, haven't had a P3D CTD issue in 16 months and 200 flights (cause by an incompatible add-on). Before that never had a CTD with P3DV5 going back three years and about 600 flights.

Very familiar with P3D/FSX structure and can modified airports, scenery, textures and some plane features as needed.

Do a lot of scenery design for my own use and can edit the logbook to delete the numerous 5 to 10 minute flights that I use to test my scenery.  From my understanding the logbook in MSFS cannot be edited.

Most of the items that Ray Proudfoot mentioned.

[turbomax 3,287]

6 minutes ago, johncott said:

From my understanding the logbook in MSFS cannot be edited.

you can avoid any flight being added to your logbook by starting in "DEVeloper" mode, while everything else is otherwise still the same.

Edited June 5, 2023 by turbomax

[turbomax 3,287]

39 minutes ago, Papacoach said:

not so sure that explaining the features and benefits of driving the Benz would resonate with you.

thanks, I have owned one myself. 😊