22 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

I have never seen it, even in drone view... 🙂 I thought maybe it was because I have 24 GB of VRAM.

I am glad that the issue is improving for everyone.

Yes, I saw it a few times in DX12 a while ago, which is why I switched back to DX11.  

Funny enough, I haven't seen the DX11 tile swapping for a while either.  I don't know if any other beta users can confirm?
I need to remember the areas where I had the problem and go back and check.

2 minutes ago, Soulflight said:

MSFS2020 is slowly turning into abandonware.

Are you expecting a 10 years support for free? the customers have to pay for this they call MSFS24, no problem for me to pay a fee every 4 years.

@Soulflight  Well of course the updates will become gradually less and less as MSFS2024 takes off, but I wouldn't call it abandonware yet, as there is still a lot of effort being put into it.

Don't forget of course that quite a lot of the improvements made to MSFS2020 can be carried over to MSFS2024, so as far as the developers are concerned, it won't be a totally wasted effort.  How much of the improvements can get carried over is hard to quantify of cousre, as only MS / Asobo know the plan!  

Anyway, I am really hoping users find the same performance increases as me when SU13 goes live, as I am beginning to get worried it is too good to be true and it might just be me.  

 

Edited September 12, 20232 yr by bobcat999

2 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Yes, I saw it a few times in DX12 a while ago, which is why I switched back to DX11.  

Funny enough, I haven't seen the DX11 tile swapping for a while either.  I don't know if any other beta users can confirm?
I need to remember the areas where I had the problem and go back and check.

That is still there unfortunately, but the workaround is easy (Map Enhancement Tool with Bing latest). If you want to test it yourself, spawn at Courchevel, LOWI or Ajaccio in Corsica. The tile swapping is very bad there.

P.S. I am on the latest beta (.15)

Edited September 12, 20232 yr by MrFuzzy

Just now, Claudius_ said:

Are you expecting a 10 years support for free? the customers have to pay for this they call MSFS24, no problem for me to pay a fee every 4 years.

I expected what was promised to us in 2020 to convince us into buying MSFS, not for half of the features shown in the trailers to have to wait 4 more years and buy another sim.

3 minutes ago, Soulflight said:

I expected what was promised to us in 2020 to convince us into buying MSFS, not for half of the features shown in the trailers to have to wait 4 more years and buy another sim.

Go to XP12 then, although the numerous bugs sometimes unsolved for months, the MSFS team produce updates regularly, with good betas also. I'm satisfied with MSFS20, I have almost all I need with my preferred studio level airplanes in a very good scenery, good clouds, good lights, et cetera. What are you expecting for?

2 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

He wasn't whining. Your post however was just whining at him! Scroll on by if you don';t like it when someone criticises the sim. 

'no doubt they'll use the "well it's holiday season and all the staff were on the beach" excuse'.
'God only knows what goes on at Asobo, I doubt they know what they're doing half the time!'

...is whining, baseless, unjustified and completely unconstructive.  I respect his opinion the update was disapointing to him and would defend his right to post it, but the rest of his post was derogatory and baseless.

 

5 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

Go to XP12 then, although the numerous bugs sometimes unsolved for months, the MSFS team produce updates regularly, with good betas also. I'm satisfied with MSFS20, I have almost all I need with my preferred studio level airplanes in a very good scenery, good clouds, good lights, et cetera. What are you expecting for?

He does have a point though.  While I wouldn't quite call it a 'bait and switch', and I am personally happy with what I have had for the money with MSFS2020, there was quite a strong negative reaction to 2024 at first due to the issues being discussed here.  Hopefully 2020 users may get an upgrade discount to soften the blow .  But as you say, other mainstream sims charge for a new version about every 3-4 years it seems.

Edited September 12, 20232 yr by bobcat999

12 minutes ago, Soulflight said:

I expected what was promised to us in 2020 to convince us into buying MSFS, not for half of the features shown in the trailers to have to wait 4 more years and buy another sim.

Microsoft used to release a new version of its flightsim every two years.  They now have three years of development and customer feedback to consider.  They have said in the trailer for MSFS2024 that the current sim isn't up to the job of what they and their customers want, so need to further develop the platform.

Considering what MSFS2020 cost to purchase, we have all had a bargain.

31 minutes ago, Soulflight said:

MSFS2020 is slowly turning into abandonware.

Yes, there are long-standing issues, regression issues and items promised that never materialised. All frustrating.

However, by releasing SUs, WUs, CUs and AAUs, you do realise that this is, quite literally, the opposite of abandonware?

21 minutes ago, Soulflight said:

I expected what was promised to us in 2020 to convince us into buying MSFS, not for half of the features shown in the trailers to have to wait 4 more years and buy another sim.

Always love when people formulate the word "promise" out of nothing. However, I'll bite. What was promised in the MSFS trailers that we don't have now?

Also how is an update that consists of expanded dev tools and a plethora of fixes, abandonware?

7 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

 

Considering what MSFS2020 cost to purchase, we have all had a bargain.

Without forgetting the P3D nightmares (the crashes and the bugs sometimes solved after months or years), and all the software you need to make it a bit better with the "handcrafted" Orbx sceneries, the marvelous Aerosoft thingies, the Active Sky wonderful real weather (and I paid for all versions, no free upgrade), and other hundreds apps that now are junk (fortunately).

Edited September 12, 20232 yr by Claudius_

45 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

@Soulflight  Well of course the updates will become gradually less and less as MSFS2024 takes off, but I wouldn't call it abandonware yet, as there is still a lot of effort being put into it.

Don't forget of course that quite a lot of the improvements made to MSFS2020 can be carried over to MSFS2024, so as far as the developers are concerned, it won't be a totally wasted effort.  How much of the improvements can get carried over is hard to quantify of cousre, as only MS / Asobo know the plan!  

Anyway, I am really hoping users find the same performance increases as me when SU13 goes live, as I am beginning to get worried it is too good to be true and it might just be me.  

 

OK I cannot say anything about performance improvements. For me, it is fine and it was fine since months, and I dont have the most powerful computer on the planet with a very old GPU actually. So I dont know about others but I feel that performance is all that is being discussed regarding SUs. And thats a shame. I dont need 120 FPS, i am fine with 60, sometimes with 30 even, as long as I have interesting flights.

For example, we are still missing proper weather mechanics in live mode. Things like up- and downdrafts, multiple cloud types and layers etc. My old FSX setup with ActiveSky had that, in the contemporary possible way. It was shown in the previews to us but when the sim got released it didnt even have turbulence. 3rd party devs are still not allowed to do anything with MSFS weather injection.

Seasons, fine. Why were they not included in 2020? FSX and P3D had them. I had to buy an addon by REX for that one, which will turn obsolete since 2024 will have seasons by default.

AI traffic took ages to not be a complete mess. FSLTL is working acceptably now but the behavior still has some issues. Again, WoAI etc. was working fine in FSX. MSFS ATC is just a copy-paste from those times. Vehicles on the roads still look like placeholder pixels popping up randomly, in FSX they had headlights, making night approaches look credible (minor issue to be fair).

I deliberately waited with buying FS2020 until early last year, giving Asobo time to sort out all those things. 1,5 years on i sure did some flying but always waited for the next SUs to add what has been missing. Now its all in FS2024, according to the preview trailers. But why should I believe that?

 

Edited September 12, 20232 yr by Soulflight

5 minutes ago, Soulflight said:

multiple cloud types and layers etc. My old FSX setup with ActiveSky had that

So, FSX didn't have that so you purchased an addon?  You can do the same with MSFS - my personal favourite is xEnviro 2020 for the amazing variety of cloud types.

6 minutes ago, Soulflight said:

Now its all in FS2024, according to the preview trailers. But why should I believe that?

I have no idea, because you want a perfect simulator that will never exist in our lifetime.