My preferred flying in MSFS are GA & turboprops, with a particular interest in Turboprops  We simmers have been well looked after in this regard with the BlackSquare TBM850 , FSReborn M500 and the upcoming SWS PC-12.  I was disappointed to hear the SWS PC-12 will have limited systems at launch, so until it does so I don't feel it can compare with the other two until updates include those things..

I love the FSR M500, but there is one peculiar thing I don't like - the strange nose high attitude when in flight. At cruise altitude the nose is almost level with the horizon which spoils it somewhat for me. Other than that, a superb aircraft.

The Blacksqure TBM 850 just seems to do everything right.  The views outside and of the instruments are great when the FOV is set correctly.  Great systems and failures simulated.  The flight model is the best of the bunch too - it really feels like it is moving through air.  On approach it realistically yaws and pitches and bumps with the wind.  It is a joy to hand fly.

Overall, I feel the blackSqure TBM 850 is the best turboprop addon, it just doesn't have any flaws.

Edited November 26, 20232 yr by MrBitstFlyer

49 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Overall, I feel the blackSqure TBM 850 is the best turboprop addon, it just doesn't have any flaws.

- PT-6 Engine simulation

- Flightmodel, specifically how floaty it is.

Love the tbm 850. But the prop sounds are horrible. Beta on the ground too quiet and the overly loud, almost external sound of the prop in flight needs significant improvement. 

1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I love the FSR M500, but there is one peculiar thing I don't like - the strange nose high attitude when in flight. At cruise altitude the nose is almost level with the horizon which spoils it somewhat for me.

I really rather enjoy the view of that. Much as a like long bonnets (hoods for you curious American fellows) on the real cars of the past such as an e-type Jaguar, Jenson Interceptor or  Aston Martin. Not like these horrid noseless modern machines that look and feel more like appliances than cars.

1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I was disappointed to hear the SWS PC-12 will have limited systems at launch

Oh really? What will it be missing. This aircraft is on my purchase list but I do like a fully functioning aircraft and am unfamillier with what it will be lacking.

As for the TBM, that is also on my list but the lack of sounds is a real put-off for me.

7 minutes ago, Jazz said:

Oh really? What will it be missing.

No failures, no hot starts and presumably no state saving.  No doubt it will be a great aircraft when updated, but when there are already great aircraft with all of these features at launch, it does seem an odd choice.

I too keep coming back to the TBM850. It has taken me away from Comanche and is pretty much all I am flying these days. I wholly concur with the reasons given by  MrBitstFlyer, A really well developed aircraft and it is very well suited for the kind of missions I like to undertake. The sounds are a weakness but I am hopeful they will be replaced with properly recorded sounds fallowing the release of the Duke. I also wish they would add a tablet to better monitor the engines and systems and failures and working through the menu on the weather radar is not ideal. But a really great aircraft and I think the best or certainly one of the best turboprops we have had in a MSFS lineage simulator.

I also have the M500 which is likewise a very well developed aircraft with a lot of attention to detail and overall it flies very well. I find its textures a little too pristine -- especially on a virtually all white interior -- and the absence of working backup instruments and the fuel cut-off brings forth a sigh every time I load into the aircraft. There is also something about the prop animation that makes it hard to look at. I know these items are being worked on so this is an aircraft that will only get better and that I will over time fly more and more.

The biggest disappointment is the SWS PC12 that will launch with no failures. I understand they have said the majority of their customers are not interested in failures, which I can accept given the wide spectrum of users we now have in flight simulation. It just means they are targeting a different segment of user than me, and the PC12 is off my buy list. 

It has been an absolutely stunning year for GA simmers!

Edited November 26, 20232 yr by Cognita

3 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

No failures, no hot starts and presumably no state saving.  No doubt it will be a great aircraft when updated, but when there are already great aircraft with all of these features at launch, it does seem an odd choice.

Ahh, yes. I did read or hear that the failures would be missing and added as a separate purchase. This did raise and eyebrow at first but when I thought about it it's actually as customer friendly as it gets. Those that don't want them don't have to pay for what they won't use and those that do can just buy the functionality. However, I agree that it is something of a frustration that the option will not be there at the time of release and rather makes me think I will wait until I can have the complete product.

No hot starts seems a bit unacceptable to me, though. What's the reasoning behind that? It will be coming I assume? And is the state saving saving thing confirmed? I find it a real immersion killer not having things the way I left them. It really helps me keep my discipline if you know what I mean.

I own the Carenado PC-12 for the beautiful visuals and the 850 for it's more visceral feel and flight dynamics.

The Carenado version flies good enough for me, so I'll most likely skip the SWS PC-12 for now.

37 minutes ago, Jazz said:

I really rather enjoy the view of that. Much as a like long bonnets (hoods for you curious American fellows) on the real cars of the past such as an e-type Jaguar, Jenson Interceptor or  Aston Martin. Not like these horrid noseless modern machines that look and feel more like appliances than cars.

That's pretty much the first thing I'm doing when I hit the starter button in both planes. Staring over those long noses watching the magic happen as the prop rotates and starts chugging fuel and air while the ITTs rise as you throw the condition levers into ground idle power.🍻

Edited November 26, 20232 yr by blueshark747

3 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I was disappointed to hear the SWS PC-12 will have limited systems at launch, so until it does so I don't feel it can compare with the other two until updates include those things..

Compared to the best airplane that was ever created for a simulator and the Fenix among the GA-planes - the TBM850 - every other plane succumbs to just some casual plane 😉 no matter which one... I personally will only buy Just Flight / Black Square (and Fenix releases) in the future. That´s why the Piston Duke and the Turbine Duke will be my favorite hottest top-planes in December. If at least one of these release in December... let´s hope it! 😺

 

3 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

The Blacksqure TBM 850 just seems to do everything right.  The views outside and of the instruments are great when the FOV is set correctly.  Great systems and failures simulated.  The flight model is the best of the bunch too - it really feels like it is moving through air.  On approach it realistically yaws and pitches and bumps with the wind.  It is a joy to hand fly.

Overall, I feel the blackSqure TBM 850 is the best turboprop addon, it just doesn't have any flaws.

Oh it has a flaw, the same the Bonanza and the Baron also share: The TBM altimeter on the copilot side (BendixKing KEA-130A Encoding Altimeter, a backup system in the TBM cockpit) has no moving rotating inner disk when changing barometric air pressure and is missing the black-white stripes on bottom sector of said disk.

If Black Square patches that altimeter in their next update the TBM 850 is the first plane that has achieved 100% perfection 🙂

And the flight model of the TBM is outstanding, it feels realistic and stable and at the same time very fun and easy to fly. It is lovely to fly and to land, but I somehow still miss ILS autoland systems an all these smaller GA planes.

Edited November 26, 20232 yr by JetCat

1 hour ago, blueshark747 said:

I own the Carenado PC-12 for the beautiful visuals and the 850 for it's more visceral feel and flight dynamics.

The Carenado version flies good enough for me, so I'll most likely skip the SWS PC-12 for now.

That's pretty much the first thing I'm doing when I hit the starter button in both planes. Staring over those long noses watching the magic happen as the prop rotates and starts chugging fuel and air while the ITTs rise as you throw the condition levers into ground idle power.🍻

In The TBM 850 I do exactly that. So good to see it start rotating then speed up with the introduction of fuel.  The TBM and M500 compliment each other nicely, with one being a glass cockpit and the other fully functional but a little more retro.

Although I purchased the M500 I don't use it because of the odd nose high attitude when I'm the air. Surely the real aircraft is not like that?

I was absolutely going to buy the SWS PC12 but was put off by a pre-release video stating no failures etc.  No purchase from me until it gets the features already available in the BlackSqure TBM 850.

I do agree the beta sound in the 850 is almost inaudible, but it flies so nicely and has such good systems simulation I can overlook that.  I can't overlook the missing systems and operations of the PC12 from SWS.

Edited November 26, 20232 yr by MrBitstFlyer

3 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

 

I love the FSR M500, but there is one peculiar thing I don't like - the strange nose high attitude when in flight

This actually how real airplanes fly unless of course you particular wing chamber shape that design for different purpose. 

40 minutes ago, JetCat said:

If Black Square patches that altimeter in their next update

There is a mod on flightsim.to that improves the instrumentation in the BlackSquare TBM850. Not sure if these are the issues you mention

Edited November 26, 20232 yr by MrBitstFlyer

2 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

This actually how real airplanes fly unless of course you particular wing chamber shape that design for different purpose. 

In the M500 I just mostly see sky, regardless how high my viewpoint is.  No other aircraft I have has a nose attitude so high

52 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I do agree the beta sound in the 850 is almost inaudible, but it flies so nicely and has such good systems simulation I can overlook that. 

Not sure how you feel about "added effects" but FS Realistic just released v2.2 with better reverse thrust/beta effects.

I haven't tried the TBM with it yet but I do like the added effect it has on the Carenado PC-12's reverse/beta characteristics.

So this helps for now until the devs improve the TBMs beta.

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzcF7208bLr023MRIA8Zsy15d7C7DUBHb?si=bo2liEjPTVLCGYDH

Edited November 26, 20232 yr by blueshark747

46 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

In the M500 I just mostly see sky, regardless how high my viewpoint is.  No other aircraft I have has a nose attitude so high

 Some aircraft with long cowling may have limited seat height adjustment so you stuck with that view . One in particular aircraft come to mind is Mooney M20J. As you climb higher and transition to cruise (depending on your cruise profile) your angle of attack  increases and so is pitch attitude . Same thing can happens when you fly close to sea level and very slow speed.