Is you system overclocked Ray?

Edited December 9, 20232 yr by newtie
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6 minutes ago, newtie said:

Is you system overclocked Ray?

Not that I’m aware. I took a shot of my BIOS last week. See here.

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/630612-13900ks-rtx4090-build-notes/?do=findComment&comment=5037419

 

4 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

After a few days of trouble-free flights I had another lockup 2 mins after taking off from Madrid today. Virus Protection is off. It locked the whole computer as even Task Manager wasn’t accessible.

After 2 mins P3D recovered but I decided to exit and restart with an autosave flight. The rest of the flight was fine.

But when the system recovered the whole P3D screen was flashing really violently. The desktop behind it was fine. Never seen that before. Anyone got any suggestions?

Could it be an over voltage issue or another hardware issue? It’s hard to think it’s a software one.

I’m not going to change anything for the next few flights or until it happens again. What I have found is there’s no benefit to running other executables on just a few LPs. I’ve found the GoFlight MCP is far more responsive when all cores are assigned rather than just a few. When you have 24 that’s enough to share the workload.

Ray,   

I did a 1380 mile flight today (KABE to KIAH) with VP off, and it was quite excellent.  I had no pauses when I switched views (as in the past), and I'm relatively convinced that keeping VP off before a flight is better overall for P3d.  I've even experienced smooth flights in MSFS.  VP is supposed to come back on after restarting the computer, but I STILL double check that it is off before I fire up the sim. I don't know why you experienced that lockup, but I will stay involved in this thread if anything changes for me.

Stan

16 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

But when the system recovered the whole P3D screen was flashing really violently. The desktop behind it was fine. Never seen that before.

That is really weird, Ray. I have had exactly the same: lock up and then violent flashing, like a thunderstorm in the PC. I thought it could be GPU related, as mine is old but yours is brand new. And also, you are on W11 and I am W10. Could it be driver related? Only happened in the last 3/4 weeks.

Hi Ian, it's a possibility but my drivers are less than two months old and I uninstall with DDU and reinstall with NVCleanstall so it seems unlikely although not impossible.

Here's what I've done this morning...

1) Turned back on Virus Protection

2) Added extra excludes for Pollypot GIT, LittleNavConnect and fsuipc.dll.

3) Stopped using MSI Afterburner / RTSS to monitor the system.

4) Started logging with HWInfo so if I did get a hang it might reveal the problem.

I flew the same flight as yesterday - LEMD-LEMG but with a northerly departure rather than a southerly yesterday.

The whole flight was fine. So it's either luck or one of those things I changed has helped. Only more flights will tell me.

Stan, I'm glad it's helped you but given yesterday's problem it's now back on.

New flight - LEMG to LEMH. I was browsing AvSim and when I looked at P3D it had hung again. I was able to display Task Manager and all VPs were working flat out. Soon after that P3D resumed. Around a 5 minute hang. Weird. Nothing in Event Viewer to

Sod's Law I forgot to start HWInfo logging.show what the problem light have been. Windows checking for update perhaps?

The rest of the flight was fine. Is there a feature in Windows 11 that tells you what processes / executables were in use? It seems crazy that P3D can freeze for several minutes but no warnings appear onscreen to advise what the problem is.

I think I can eliminate P3D itself. It usually shows a message when it’s about to crash but it’s not crashing, just staying in limbo until resources are freed.

I'd start by checking in Task Manager as to what process was consuming the CPU. Unfortunately I suspect it will be prepar3d.exe.

Cheers

16 minutes ago, Luke said:

I'd start by checking in Task Manager as to what process was consuming the CPU. Unfortunately I suspect it will be prepar3d.exe.

Cheers

It’s hard to think why P3D would stop working when demand of the system is so low. 30Hz monitor with VSync enabled so the CPU and GPU are under no real pressure. PMDG737 which is totally reliable.

It never happens on the ground, even at busy airports like Madrid with scores of AIG Ai present.

In all the years I’ve had P3D I’ve never seen a problem like this. I’ll try TM but I was hoping Windows itself might have a log. I’ll keep HWInfo logging enabled for all flights from now on.

Process Monitor might reveal the problem.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/procmon

30 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

In all the years I’ve had P3D I’ve never seen a problem like this

P3D is a law unto itself !

I have both V5 and V6 installed (different drives) and in the last few days V5 sits there for about 30-45 seconds apparently doing nothing when I click OK after selecting scenario.

After this delay it then starts loading the scenery as normal but there is no heavy CPU activity during the "rest" period.

Very odd, no new addons added and nothing in event viewer.

Just like your problem, also a tricky one to track down.

Edited December 10, 20232 yr by Sparkrite

@Sparkrite, Process Monitor will certainly tell you what’s happening. Even on my laptop with nothing significant running you’d be amazed what happening behind the scenes.

15 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@Sparkrite, Process Monitor will certainly tell you what’s happening. Even on my laptop with nothing significant running you’d be amazed what happening behind the scenes.

I don't want to hijack this thread on you Ray, but I've used PM and all the usual are busy, ctfmon,text input, etc. but none of them are of any real consequence.

What really gets me is that there is none or very very little disk activity during this hiatus, when it used to be busy loading scenery etc.

Probably some win update or other and hopefully will disappear as suddenly as it appeared.😁

But, I hate not knowing........which I suspect is similar to yourself.

4 minutes ago, Sparkrite said:

But, I hate not knowing........which I suspect is similar to yourself.

Indeed. Less frustrating for you I would say as once P3D loads you have no problems.

5 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

New flight - LEMG to LEMH. I was browsing AvSim and when I looked at P3D it had hung again. I was able to display Task Manager and all VPs were working flat out. Soon after that P3D resumed. Around a 5 minute hang. Weird. Nothing in Event Viewer to

Sod's Law I forgot to start HWInfo logging.show what the problem light have been. Windows checking for update perhaps?

Helsinki to Liverpool today, and not a single pause of any significance when changing views.  My past pauses ONLY happened when changing views which I do very frequently.  My joy in flying emanates from all the views I am able to bring up during a flight since it enhances my sense of realism.  This AV turn off seems to have helped my particular flying tremendously. I also always fly with all display sliders to the right except for road traffic and water (traffic at 35 and water on high). I know it's working because I've never gone 3 days of flying without some frustration in long pauses occurring during a particular flight.

Thanks again.

Stan