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December 14, 2023 MSFS Development Update

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9 hours ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

Why be annoyed over a development process?

Marking things green in the dev update simply gives the impression that the issue is solved. 

Or what do you think that devs over at Asobo priorize? Those items being green on the list or those being yellow? 

I always come back to the same statement by Jorg: they did not include seasons in MSFS 2020 because they do not want half baked things implemented in the sim. ridiculous statement already if you consider snow coverage alone...

Greetings, Chris

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Anyone knows which cities will be updated by city update 5 ?

 

Edited by GSalden

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8 hours ago, AnkH said:

Marking things green in the dev update simply gives the impression that the issue is solved. 


The three colors are broad categories, and the actual state of those items are obviously what's *written* in those colors.

if an item is yellow that's basically "no action taken yet", or they're currently investigating, or an initial assessment has been made, etc
- if an item is red then they've determined no action will be ever taken
- if an item is green then action has been taken, or started with various statuses, or is fixed, etc

Only if the green status is marked as "fixed" can we assume they've deemed it finished.

Some of the bigger ticket items are only coming in v2024 due to re-work/re-architecting required (such as seasons which also required 3D trees for foliage control, for example). Where it makes sense and is feasible, they're backporting some of the improvements in v2024 to v2020 (i.e. ground handling partial backport for SU15, recent partial backport of v2024's new atmospheric engine, etc). These technical and business decisions don't seem out of the ordinary to me, compared to how development processes and release decisions are generally done in the software world.

 

Edited by lwt1971

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3 hours ago, GSalden said:

Anyone knows which cities will be updated by city update 5 ?


Zagreb, Košice, Cádiz, Brussels, and The Hague
 

Edited by lwt1971

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Current system: i9 13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB DDR5 4800 RAM, 4TB NVMe SSD

41 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:


Zagreb, Košice, Cádiz, Brussels, and The Hague
 

Thank you.

I just bought Prealsoft Athens …

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The devs have done a great job so far, I would love to see more of a "living world" in the next version.  For example, in some places (Gibraltar, if I'm not mistaken) you can walk right into the terminal, and it's totally empty.

  • 2 weeks later...

terrible performance, only using 25-45% of my gpu. the more updates the worse the optimization gets. i used to get 40-70fps on high settings now I get half that.

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sometimes a simple reboot helps.

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60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

12 hours ago, jhnWik said:

terrible performance, only using 25-45% of my gpu.

 

Which indicates a pretty harsh CPU limit. Either invest more GPU power into image quality options or lower CPU heavy settings like terrain LOD. You might profit also big time from the dynamic LOD tool with your CPU.

Greetings, Chris

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16 minutes ago, AnkH said:

Which indicates a pretty harsh CPU limit. Either invest more GPU power into image quality options or lower CPU heavy settings like terrain LOD. You might profit also big time from the dynamic LOD tool with your CPU.

The thing is why should he have to alter settings because of regressions to performance from the developer? That's ok to do in the short term but;

It's on the developer to A) Better test betas before public release and listen to the testers when they tell them there's a discrepancy, B) Provide better optimisation standards when performance drops significantly enough (as has been shown with SU14) and C) and the main one, fix what they broke with regards to performance regressions in the first place.

If every update gradually lowered performance we'd all be running on Low settings by the time they've fully moved onto MSFS 2024, it's on the developers shoulders to do better.

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Totally agree, but the reality is sadly different...

Greetings, Chris

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On 1/3/2024 at 5:06 AM, AnkH said:

Which indicates a pretty harsh CPU limit. Either invest more GPU power into image quality options or lower CPU heavy settings like terrain LOD. You might profit also big time from the dynamic LOD tool with your CPU.

my cpu is weak, no doubt but 6 months ago i was getting twice the frames. i will be upgrading to a amd 5700x next month so i will see how much it helps. the problem is the percentage of gpu usage I'm getting now.

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