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Fenix update is out.

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4 hours ago, Kerrow42 said:

remove the wingflex mod if you're using it, it's not compatible.

Thank you. It was the culprit. The new version of Wing flex is ok now.

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  • Cpt_Piett
    Cpt_Piett

    Do you though, Bob? Do you really know what you're talking about? Just as you did when you wrongly assumed I didn't do an autoland last night which in fact I did. That claim of yours sent me on a

  • Great Job Bob I applaud your level of expertise. I guess with all your years of experience you will be able to cure the problem you have with your display instead of constantly complaining about it !!

  • markadeane
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    This reminds me of that hokey old gag about the aircraft maintenance write-up: PILOT: Autoland on this aircraft is excessively firm MECHANIC: Autoland not fitted on this aircraft

38 minutes ago, martinboehme said:

Or earlier. There's nothing that says you have to wait for the "retard" callout:

I tend to retard at 40-50 AGL, before the callout, in IAE. Usually works. 

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58 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

It was a CAT1 auto land though.

Just to clarify, the autoland function is not present in CAT 1 mode, only in CAT 2 or CAT 3 Single or Dual mode. 😀

1 hour ago, polosim said:

Just to clarify, the autoland function is not present in CAT 1 mode, only in CAT 2 or CAT 3 Single or Dual mode. 😀

I'm sure you're right, I'm not that knowledgeable about the aircraft (need to RTFM). My eyes could have played a trick on me, although I'm pretty sure the FMA announced CATI Dual AP1+2.  

EDIT: EGKK ILS 26L

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Pretty sure I just did an autoland...

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2 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I'm sure you're right, I'm not that knowledgeable about the aircraft (need to RTFM). My eyes could have played a trick on me, although I'm pretty sure the FMA announced CATI Dual AP1+2.  

EDIT: EGKK ILS 26L

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Pretty sure I just did an autoland...

Cat 1 is not an autoland. 

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Cat 1 is not an autoland. 

Don't doubt you. In fact I'll rest my case and take (yet) another deep-dive into the manual 🙂

Pretty sure it autolanded though 😉

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This reminds me of that hokey old gag about the aircraft maintenance write-up:

PILOT: Autoland on this aircraft is excessively firm
MECHANIC: Autoland not fitted on this aircraft

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3 hours ago, markadeane said:

PILOT: Autoland on this aircraft is excessively firm
MECHANIC: Autoland not fitted on this aircraft

Haha! So I did in fact do a normal landing, thinking I autolanded 🤪

I think I've forgotten how to setup for an autoland, sigh. Tried one just now into EGPH ILS 06. Set DH for CATII in APPR page, AP1+2 on before arming APPR on the FCU. Still only got CATI AP1+2 in FMA, no dual. I really need to read up on the criteria. 

Found this on the Flybywire website (I know, the aircraft are different):

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Performing an Autoland is permissible for CAT II / CAT III runways even when low visibility operations (LVO) are not enforced, and this may even extend to CAT I runways.

And:

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If CAT1 is displayed on the FMA, Autoland is not authorized.

Please don't get up - I'll show myself out 😅

EDIT: Sorry for hijacking the thread with my autoland woes. Just in case it could help other simmers, I might have discovered what went wrong. For several of my recent flights, I’ve noticed “CAT 2” in amber under INOP SYS on the ECAM, just as I go flaps 1.

EDIT2: Looking at my screenshots above, I noticed that ILS CRS is not shown on the ND.

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I can autoland almost everywhere just to verify how the Fenix is working now. My only concern is that the flare is much longer, the nose takes longer time to go down, and a 65 tons airplane can be slowed down at 60kts in few hundred meters. Is that closer to the real thing? I remember that the 737 behaves in a very different way, but these were the old p3d times, I decided to not support Pmdg because the DC6 problems.

Missing the PMDG DC6 in MSFS 2024 (she's here, but...).

2 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

I can autoland almost everywhere just to verify how the Fenix is working now. My only concern is that the flare is much longer, the nose takes longer time to go down, and a 65 tons airplane can be slowed down at 60kts in few hundred meters. Is that closer to the real thing? I remember that the 737 behaves in a very different way, but these were the old p3d times, I decided to not support Pmdg because the DC6 problems.

There's something seriously wrong with reverse idle. With autobrakes OFF, idle reverse alone slows you down like medium autobrakes. It should have next to no effect on deceleration on a dry runway instead. That's new in v2, though. I already sent a ticket.
As for the flare, I disagree. The nose comes down quicker now than before (actually that was the one thing they explicitly changed for v2).

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10 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I'm sure you're right, I'm not that knowledgeable about the aircraft (need to RTFM). My eyes could have played a trick on me, although I'm pretty sure the FMA announced CATI Dual AP1+2.  

EDIT: EGKK ILS 26L

 

 

Pretty sure I just did an autoland...

The CAT I is displayed, because you entered a baro minimum. If you entered a radio minimum, it would show CATII/III.
Also Dual AP1+2 has nothing to do with it, it's standard operating procedure on the A320 to turn on both APs for landing, regardless of autolanding or manual.

And yes, you did an autoland, because AFAIK the only condition for the A320 to do an autoland is ... not turning the APs off. That's all. The A320 won't care if you entered the correct minimum, it will autoland nonetheless if you don't disengage the APs.

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9 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

There's something seriously wrong with reverse idle. With autobrakes OFF, idle reverse alone slows you down like medium autobrakes. It should have next to no effect on deceleration on a dry runway instead. That's new in v2, though. I already sent a ticket.
As for the flare, I disagree. The nose comes down quicker now than before (actually that was the one thing they explicitly changed for v2).

Maybe I'm confusing things, but the nose is coming down too slowly till the reverse, it seems to me that the airplane is floating, but I need more landing tests.

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48 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

The CAT I is displayed, because you entered a baro minimum. If you entered a radio minimum, it would show CATII/III.

Hi, you’re right about RADIO minimums  to be used in CATII/III operations, however it is not what causes the aircraft to show CAT1 in the FMA, if you notice it all the ILS approach show the capability of the aircraft as CAT 3 DUAL unless there is a fault that degrades the aircraft in its capability to land. (Regardless of the atmospheric conditions, minimum DH or RADIO entered on the PERF page, authorization for this type of approach to airport or the Flight Crew)

2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

And yes, you did an autoland, because AFAIK the only condition for the A320 to do an autoland is ... not turning the APs off. That's all. The A320 won't care if you entered the correct minimum, it will autoland nonetheless if you don't disengage the APs.

Thanks, I was hoping you’d comment as it was driving me a bit crazy. I did some more research and several RW A320 pilots are saying that autoland can be performed even though FMA is displaying CAT1. 

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Autoland is a system of the aircraft and Cat 1/2/3 is the category of a certain runway depending on which minimas are defined. Practice autolands are permitted in Cat 1 conditions as long as all the conditions of a normal landing are met (visibility, cloud ceiling within minima, runway in sight, stabilized etc.). We just do active monitoring of the aircraft and if it doesn't perform as desired we take over. There are certain places where Autoland is not allowed since ILS is known not to perform up to the mark below minimums.

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3 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

There's something seriously wrong with reverse idle. With autobrakes OFF, idle reverse alone slows you down like medium autobrakes. It should have next to no effect on deceleration on a dry runway instead. That's new in v2, though. I already sent a ticket.

I noticed this too. Touched down on a wet runway with autobrake low, went for max reverse and it initially slowed down nicely. At 80 knots I dropped to idle reverse, at 60 knots i disarmed the autobrakes and the aircraft almost came to a dead stop on the runway just with idle reverse. I thought the autobrakes were stuck on. Its definitely something new, so hopefully it can be hotfixed.

 

 

 

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