Pilot 2 ATC vs. Beyond ATC vs. Say Intentions...

[Wothan 173]

I took the plunge at bought a subscription for Saiintensions.ai after having tried it for 24 Hours.

In a former post in this thread I said I found it too expensive, still find it expensive, but it seems the developer hasn´t much of a choice.

 

The reason I bought it is that it really is the best ATC experience I got so far.

Voices ar natural and communication with the controllers works absolutely fine, even when the "raw" detected speech from me is a bit garbled.

Though the speech from me is garbled, the App seems to be quite good guessing what my intentions / request are.

The problem I had with P2ATC is that proper speech recogition is mandatory for it to work. I often have to repeat myself too many times to feel immersed.

 

The only issues I have seen so far, is getting wrong taxiways for taxiing from / to the runway. and sometimes it doesn´t get the destination name right when f.ex asking for vectors to a certain Airport (F.ex. Salzburg might become Sullesberg etc., probably because of my dialect or bad English pronouncements). But You can always use ICAO codes i.e LOWS (Lima Oscar, Whiskey, Sierra).

 

 

[Bobsk8 12,768]

3 minutes ago, Wothan said:

I took the plunge at bought a subscription for Saiintensions.ai after having tried it for 24 Hours.

In a former post in this thread I said I found it too expensive, still find it expensive, but it seems the developer hasn´t much of a choice.

 

The reason I bought it is that it really is the best ATC experience I got so far.

Voices ar natural and communication with the controllers works absolutely fine, even when the "raw" detected speech from me is a bit garbled.

Though the speech from me is garbled, the App seems to be quite good guessing what my intentions / request are.

The problem I had with P2ATC is that proper speech recogition is mandatory for it to work. I often have to repeat myself too many times to feel immersed.

 

The only issues I have seen so far, is getting wrong taxiways for taxiing from / to the runway. and sometimes it doesn´t get the destination name right when f.ex asking for vectors to a certain Airport (F.ex. Salzburg might become Sullesberg etc., probably because of my dialect or bad English pronouncements). But You can always use ICAO codes i.e LOWS (Lima Oscar, Whiskey, Sierra).

 

 

I  think, from what I have heard so far, that for VFR, it is probably OK. I think for IFR, it will be a long time before it is useful. 

[techman 153]

34 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I  think, from what I have heard so far, that for VFR, it is probably OK. I think for IFR, it will be a long time before it is useful. 

"From what I have heard". Wow.

From what I just did:

Filed a flightplan EDDM to LSZH over simbrief. Fired up the Fenix B2 IAE and called clearance. Went to LSZH with complete flight following including handoffs, step climbs, descents and (ok - wrong) taxi instructions.

So "What you have heard" is probably far from reality. 

[Bobsk8 12,768]

1 minute ago, techman said:

"From what I have heard". Wow.

From what I just did:

Filed a flightplan EDDM to LSZH over simbrief. Fired up the Fenix B2 IAE and called clearance. Went to LSZH with complete flight following including handoffs, step climbs, descents and (ok - wrong) taxi instructions.

So "What you have heard" is probably far from reality. 

Wow , so your experience is the new reality.😏

[techman 153]

Spreading misinformation is also reality, Mr. Trump.

[Mike S KPDX 597]

1 hour ago, Wothan said:

The problem I had with P2ATC is that proper speech recogition is mandatory for it to work. I often have to repeat myself too many times to feel immersed.

I have been using P2ATC for 8 years, never once have I used voice recognition - the program works beautifully and is not mandatory in the least.  I felt I needed to correct this for the other readers on this thread.

[Vel 294]

2 hours ago, Mike S KPDX said:

I have been using P2ATC for 8 years, never once have I used voice recognition - the program works beautifully and is not mandatory in the least.  I felt I needed to correct this for the other readers on this thread.

Its not mandatory but from my recently trial of the program, it does need a microphone to be installed to complete the setup properly. I connected an old moble phone headset then disconnected it and never had need for it again.

[Ron Lefebvre 113]

My experience with IFR has also  been positive. Work in progress but already almost as good as most others variations  out there.

Lots of negative people out there.

2 weeks left before my coins run out.

I may try P2Pilot but pretty sure I will stick with FSHud for now

[JYW 2,984]

On 3/15/2024 at 7:09 PM, Kaboki said:

Dunno, we basicly still have the same default ATC from FSX days in 2020, so I dont expect miracles in 2024:p. 

Nah..... ATC in FSX was far better than in MSFS! 😄

Seriously, in FSX you could generally get decent vectors for an ILS.   Climb instructions were robotic (waits until you're 200' from your assigned before giving you further) but would generally get you up there, and wouldn't tell you to "climb to flight level 310" when you're 8 miles from the field....

Heck, ATC in FS2004 was even better than in MSFS.   It's the worst ATC iteration we've had in any MS flight sim. They seem to have just given up on it.... at least for the time being.

[Wothan 173]

6 hours ago, Mike S KPDX said:

I have been using P2ATC for 8 years, never once have I used voice recognition - the program works beautifully and is not mandatory in the least.  I felt I needed to correct this for the other readers on this thread.

Yeah - Your right Speech recognition is not mandatory with P2ATC.

I think Asobo has given up on proper ATC because so many 3rd party apps are in the works - so why should they bother doing something that probably won´t be as good as these.

With Sayintentios.ai You don´t need to say exact phrases. It simply feels very natural to speech to the controllers f.ex asking for You destination Tower frequency, Active runway, vectors to Your destination and so forthe.

You don´t need a list with the exact phrases, just ask naturally and the will give a proper answer - it´s almost scary 😲.

[AverageJoe 8]

8 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I  think, from what I have heard so far, that for VFR, it is probably OK. I think for IFR, it will be a long time before it is useful. 

SayIntentions admin here.. just wanted to clarify a few things for anyone interested...

- We have full world-wide support (U.S., Europe, etc.) and 88,000+ airports
- You can speak to ATC in 9 languages. More coming.
- We have over 200 voices.
- We are completely AI. All server-side.
- Traffic injection and sequencing is in the works.
- We release new functionality pretty much daily.
- There are no menus or "canned scenarios". You speak to it naturally.
- We have multi-player support.
- You can pause, fast-forward, etc.
- Price will drop as the cost of AI services, like GPT-4, continues to fall. Those savings will be passed along.

- And yes.. IFR is mostly done, and we have tons of people using it already.

Nobody else does or is even attempting to do what we do.

And the best part is that this isn't hype or future promises. We are available NOW, which means you don't have to take our word for any of this. You can try it yourself, today, for free.

[Sonosusto 681]

22 hours ago, mmcmah said:

Where have you heard this? I've asked Dave about that before and never gotten anything that would lead me to believe it's in his plans.

I'm still a happy user of P2ATC, but that would be amazing!

its just a guess since it notices the traffic around you in the first place so theres a lot already going on

[ZKOKQ 984]

On 3/14/2024 at 2:24 AM, robert young said:

I still haven't seen in all these many years a single ATC program that demonstrates developers understand and can implement natural sounding voices.

I think PF3 did come close natural sounding voices.

[Bobsk8 12,768]

32 minutes ago, ZKOKQ said:

I think PF3 did come close natural sounding voices.

Out of the 110 voices PF3 has, I have disabled about 8, the  rest are pretty good. 

[CaptainMoose 6]

What would really be great is if vatsim gets into an arrangement with SayIntentions ai and integrate their systems so all unmanned airspaces on vatsim are covered by SayIntensions ai while remaining on the vatsim network.  So vatsim controllers will always pass you to the next station even if its unmanned and that's where SayIntentions ai picks you up, and visa versa when entering from unmanned to manned vatsim controlled airspace. 

Imagine getting the best of two worlds, the great vatsim manned airspaces (Boston, Gatwick, Schiphol...etc.) and SayIntentions ai everywhere else vatsim controllers are not online, you never have to unnecessarily switch to unicom anymore.

I hope this happens this year or the next, one can only hope!

Edited April 8 by CaptainMoose