1 hour ago, Tuskin38 said:

It's not their fault that AI generation is expensive.

And it's absolutely their fault that they chose to go a pathway that costs so much.  Hopefully they guessed right about how many users will pay, and I'm sure there will be some. 

2 hours ago, jcomm said:

Ya mean... it'll includet AI Control ?

That's a Major step forward in times when everyone is feering that AI will control them 🤪

Yes it injects and controls.its own AI traffic

35 minutes ago, Noel said:

And it's absolutely their fault that they chose to go a pathway that costs so much.  Hopefully they guessed right about how many users will pay, and I'm sure there will be some. 

Not everyone wants the same out of an ATC app. Hopefully there'll be a range of products that suits most people's needs 🙂

3 hours ago, Noel said:

And it's absolutely their fault that they chose to go a pathway that costs so much.  Hopefully they guessed right about how many users will pay, and I'm sure there will be some. 

All AI generation is expensive, there is no least expensive path.

30 dollars is cheap.

Edited April 12, 20242 yr by Tuskin38

8 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

30 dollars is cheap

Alright!  BATC can count on at least one customer....

4 minutes ago, Noel said:

Alright!  BATC can count on at least one customer....

its  cheaper  than going out  for dinner

I know its still in beta but BATC looked really raw in the stream Easyjetsimpilot had the other day. However One thing that stuck out to me was how he kept saying the areas where vatsim has no coverage you can just fire up BATC. I cant recall any program Ive ever used that was that flexible. Over the years ive used Radar Contact, Pro ATC and I tried Pilot2ATC for MSFS. All of those programs needed you to start the controlling on the ground. It would be pretty cool if BATC is able to function without that requirement 

1 minute ago, environmental_ice said:

I know its still in beta but BATC looked really raw in the stream Easyjetsimpilot had the other day. However One thing that stuck out to me was how he kept saying the areas where vatsim has no coverage you can just fire up BATC. I cant recall any program Ive ever used that was that flexible. Over the years ive used Radar Contact, Pro ATC and I tried Pilot2ATC for MSFS. All of those programs needed you to start the controlling on the ground. It would be pretty cool if BATC is able to function without that requirement 

I don't believe that's true for P2ATC. I've seen Dave mention that you can load up the flightplan, file it and then check in with your altitude for it to pick up where you are. At least that's my recollection.

2 hours ago, pete_auau said:

its  cheaper  than going out  for dinner

....and it's more expensive than a pack of gum.  I once mentioned I would pay to use MSFS on a subscription basis and of course the uproar was substantial.  And yet one month of BATC costs roughly 1/4 of the of admission to the vastly larger field that MSFS offers that ATC merely one element of the total sim.  I wish the developer well and will be genuinely surprised if it garners a large user base at that price, roughly the cost of two streaming services.  But my perspective is of someone who does not value ATC as much as other areas of the sim.  I use Self Loading Cargo and A Pilot's Life and those programs score a large number of elements of piloting actions and behaviors.  So my goal is to try to execute perfection, and it's challenging with those two apps.   ATC is kind of secondary for me but I can appreciate others will have a very different POV on what ATC means to them.  Still, I'll be surprised if people will pay that much for ATC alone.  We will see AI drop in price like most all techs do so that may portend well for BATC.

1 minute ago, Noel said:

 And yet one month of BATC costs roughly

and  yet if  you  buy  the  basic its  a  one  off  purchase of  30 well  thats  what i read  earlier

FWIW, BATC's most recent price model.  You get unlimited basic voice for free.  You arent required to pay $30/month to use the software

https://fselite.net/content/beyondatc-revises-pricing-model/

4 hours ago, mmcmah said:

I don't believe that's true for P2ATC. I've seen Dave mention that you can load up the flightplan, file it and then check in with your altitude for it to pick up where you are. At least that's my recollection.

Yes that is what I understand too.

At the moment good old P2ATC ticks most of the boxes and will be very hard to beat

5 hours ago, environmental_ice said:

However One thing that stuck out to me was how he kept saying the areas where vatsim has no coverage you can just fire up BATC. I cant recall any program Ive ever used that was that flexible. Over the years ive used Radar Contact, Pro ATC and I tried Pilot2ATC for MSFS. All of those programs needed you to start the controlling on the ground. It would be pretty cool if BATC is able to function without that requirement 

You can do that already with FSHud as well. You can start FSHud at any stage of your flight and FSHud will catch up to the current situation.

1 hour ago, jkeye said:

At the moment good old P2ATC ticks most of the boxes and will be very hard to beat

P2ATC does not control AI traffic, does it? 

 

9 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

All AI generation is expensive, there is no least expensive path.

30 dollars is cheap.

Saying 30 dollars is cheap is purely subjective, it's cheap if you can afford it and have the money, it's not cheap for those who may have limited income.

19 minutes ago, Rocky_53 said:

Saying 30 dollars is cheap is purely subjective, it's cheap if you can afford it and have the money, it's not cheap for those who may have limited income.

its  cheaper  than most payware  aircraft 🙂