He predicts missles, bombs, guns... the lot.

[Tuskin38 6,838]

The AI generated thumbnail is also terrible.

[HiFlyer 9,417]

20 minutes ago, eslader said:

But claiming they're going to do it is intentionally lying for clicks, because they're never going to do it.

People would have been just as certain not so long ago that something like the Dune expansion would have no place in the sim, as well.

I'm never so certain as some, about predicting the future.

[Matchstick 1,925]

44 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

People would have been just as certain not so long ago that something like the Dune expansion would have no place in the sim, as well.

I'm never so certain as some, about predicting the future.

The Dune expansion has no impact whatsoever on the current PEGI 3 age rating (or equivalent) for the sim.
Adding Weapons and combat to the core sim however would mean a higher rating and MSFS have made it absolutely clear they want to maintain the current rating.

It really is as simple as that.

(CFS 202x is still entirely possible as a separate product, but at the very least that would depend on MS thinking there's a big enough market to justify the work)

Edited May 6 by Matchstick

[HiFlyer 9,417]

8 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

It really is as simple as that.

My point is that they can change their minds on anything they want, and at any time, despite enthusiast sentiment.

I agree it's unlikely, but never is a word that can come back to bite a person.

Stuff happens.

[Matchstick 1,925]

9 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

My point is that they can change their minds on anything they want, and at any time, despite enthusiast sentiment.

I agree it's unlikely, but never is a word that can come back to bite a person.

Stuff happens.

They really aren't going to as it has deep business implications if they do, not least a retrospective raised rating on every copy they've already sold.

What do you do with every copy sold to a under 12 if the rating now goes up to teen ? The bad press from reactionary corners of the mainstream & social media would be quite something,

A new release like MSFS 2024 could give them a way to avoid that, but honestly, why would they cut their market down like that ?

[HiFlyer 9,417]

1 minute ago, Matchstick said:

why would they cut their market down like that ?

I actually think it would raise their market. Just not here.

I can already hear the protests and pledges to never buy 2024 if that happened!

But then, MS would have to contend with the choice of possibly millions of new users, as opposed to maybe (temporarily, because we wouldn't really be able to resist) annoying a niche of a niche.

I repeat, I think it's unlikely, but I also admit that if it ever happened, it would affect me not at all, as I uphold no particular sim-orthodoxies.

[Matchstick 1,925]

Just now, HiFlyer said:

I actually think it would raise their market. Just not here.

I can already hear the protests and pledges to never buy 2024 if that happened!

But then, MS would have to contend with the choice of possibly millions of new users, as opposed to maybe (temporarily, because we wouldn't really be able to resist) annoying a niche of a niche.

I repeat, I think it's unlikely, but I also admit that if it ever happened, it would affect me not at all, as I uphold no particular sim-orthodoxies.

People who want to fly combat sims are covered at both the high and low fidelity ends. MS would be trying to pull marketshare from them while simultaneously cutting themselves off from groups who want a family-friendly, "wholesome" game.

It's not a hypothetical mistake on the level of, say requiring all MSFS2024 planes to be bought from the Marketplace, but I still doubt it would end well.

[JBDB-MD80 1,533]

21 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

People who with's not a hypothetical mistake on the level of, say requiring all MSFS2024 planes to be bought from the Marketplace, but I still doubt it would end well.

That means no more  Fenix or Maddog X. I'm out.

[Bernard Ducret 807]

1 hour ago, Matchstick said:

from reactionary corners

How about "peaceful corners" instead, people who have enough real wars to deal with on a daily basis in our tragically sad, full of agression and hate, world without adding yet another flavour in what is today a virtual peaceful simulated world we can fly over - without *dreaming" to annihilate half of the planet?! Perhaps DCS could include realistic bombs that would destroy the gamer's computer along - for good measure - his home. That would be real fun, as real as it gets! ... and give gamers a first hand taste of what destruction lives and properties is all about.

Don't folks have enough choice of simulated wars (air, sea, land), and fight games today, probably more than 80% of games are about conflicts, combat and other abominations? Let MSFS be a "civil" and peaceful game and, should one be unable to "survive" this predicament, buy one of these numerous titles dedicated to what the human race seems to adore so much. Rating or no rating!

I know that, when writing this post, I commit a capital crime today, I dare referring to moral values, and I should know better that this word is dead!

Edited May 6 by Bernard Ducret

[DD_Arthur 1,115]

13 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Combat would be a separate sim if they ever wanted to do it again.

It’s this. The idea that the same sim can encompass both the demands of civilian aviation and combat seems extremely unlikely. They’re simply two different animals with fundamentally different demands.

It’s not that easy to see what Asobo’s creation could actually offer when developing a combat sim.

The map technology? Possibly but how much work would be required to provide a highly detailed battlefield with vehicles moving over it whilst aircraft fly at zero feet and at 60fps?

Will they want to make a WW2 simulator as all Microsoft’s efforts in the past have been?

The current map technology isn’t going to be much use for that. The world has changed enormously since 1945. To give an idea of the pace of change; more than half the buildings in the USA have been erected since 1980.

Then there’s the damage and ballistics modelling - both non-existent at present - and of course the flight modelling 😎.

Lets not forget a new netcode and new A.I. either and of course to sell, it’s got to be better than the competition and run VR at around 90fps…..

[eslader 1,822]

7 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

I actually think it would raise their market.

On what do you base that conclusion? The "adult movie ratings increase sales" notion?

Yes, add a sex scene to a movie and you get an R rating and more people buy tickets so they can see the sex. Though it should be pointed out that if it's a non-simulated sex scene that gets the movie an NC-17/X rating, sales generally suffer. Movie producers who aren't making straight-up porn tend to try and avoid the NC-17 doghouse. South Park's movie very famously got re-edited to avoid that rating.

But this isn't comparable. Add a missile to a civilian flight sim and... Who is going to buy that wouldn't have bought before? DCS is still better, and cheaper if you have more self control than me and don't buy every plane they have. If a prospective customer is really holding out because they can't shoot missiles, they've already bought DCS and aren't actually holding out for MSFS.  And if they, for some reason, really want to shoot a missile in MSFS, they can get a 3rd party fighter from the 3pd's website which MSFS has no control over.

Beyond "they won't do it because it wouldn't make sense," combat in MSFS would suck. BFM would suck because there has yet to be a fighter that has sufficiently-modeled flight dynamics to actually fly it like a fighter. Plus, in addition to all that extra code that would have to be written as noted above, this is also a general-purpose sim. I've long-since turned off live players because I got tired of dopes spawning 747s at St. Barts. Imagine the fun of those same dopes trying to get in on combat with that 747. No thanks. 😉

 

 

Edited May 6 by eslader

[Lord Farringdon 561]

IS DCS available on Xbox? 

Edit: Sorry, should have googled then posted instead of other way around! 

Answer is no. So I suspect some pressure we are seeing for DCS type of activities in MSFS is coming from those who maybe don't have a PC or or don't have a powerful enough PC to run DCS. 

All I can say is forget it. MSFS is a civilian flight simulator for a whole bunch of reasons, not the least of which is to encourage a whole bunch of young people into the world of aviation. If you want to be rambo, fire live weapons and fly in a geo-limited uncontrolled airspace, spend the dosh and fill your boots with DCS.  

I'm ex military so I understand but MSFS is just not that genre and never should be. 

Cheers

Terry

 

 

Edited May 6 by Lord Farringdon

[eslader 1,822]

14 minutes ago, Lord Farringdon said:

So I suspect some pressure we are seeing for DCS type of activities in MSFS is coming from those who maybe don't have a PC or or don't have a powerful enough PC to run DCS. 

You're probably right. But DCS runs pretty well even without a powerful PC. I ran it fine on an AMD2700x with a 1080Ti. I probably didn't have all the graphics at max, but I also don't remember any stutters on that old thing. Even today, with a 3070Ti I don't exactly have the bleeding-edge in my system and DCS runs very well even in VR.

If they really want to shoot at other planes, they should get an old PC from the local tech recycler and use DCS. Wouldn't cost much more than 2024 will probably cost.

 

Edited May 6 by eslader

[sloppysmusic 341]

18 hours ago, JetCat said:

Better not implement simple arcade shooting into the Flight Sim just for the sake of some shooting action.

I read that and thought ahhh so it will DEFINITELY be in there then..

Better not implement extreme landing challenges into the Flight Sim just for the sake of some extreme landing action - CHECK

[Daube 374]

@Microsoft:

- MSFS 2024, rated E for Everyone

- MSFS 2024 Military Edition, rated for everybody but the kids.

There, you can still sell to everybody. What's the issue with making a special edition with weapons, if there is still a "standard" edition that you can see  to everybody ?

Edited May 7 by Daube