Just to note, this is only available to those using the new updater system and software.

15 hours ago, pete_auau said:

nope  you have  to install it, open up  the fenix installer and  if its not  installed  already  there  will be  a  update  against  the  320

ah got it, I see the installer now thanks.

With this update the A320 feels more responsive to sidestick inputs and less floaty in the flare.

Obviously I have no idea if this is more or less "realistic" - but it certainly feels more manageable, predictable and plausible.

Good job by Fenix imo.

On 8/24/2024 at 11:31 PM, tfm said:

With this update the A320 feels more responsive to sidestick inputs and less floaty in the flare.

Obviously I have no idea if this is more or less "realistic" - but it certainly feels more manageable, predictable and plausible.

Good job by Fenix imo.

The floaty flare seems improved now, but they ruined everything regarding the flight model, now the A320 handles like a F16. You can feel this in manual flight and landings, here a video showing this new (wrong) creative flight model in a creative approach at Paro. A 60 tons airplane flies like a dragonfly:

 

9 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

The floaty flare seems improved now, but they ruined everything regarding the flight model, now the A320 handles like a F16. You can feel this in manual flight and landings, here a video showing this new (wrong) creative flight model in a creative approach at Paro. A 60 tons airplane flies like a dragonfly:

 

Interesting. Looks pretty nimble but I'm not qualified to judge whether it's also unrealistic.

9 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

now the A320 handles like a F16. You can feel this in manual flight and landings, here a video showing this new (wrong) creative flight model in a creative approach at Paro.

Only that this is not an A320 but an A319 at 54tons.

Edited September 1, 20241 yr by Farlis

32 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Only that this is not an A320 but an A319 at 54tons.

Classic !

 

1 hour ago, Farlis said:

Only that this is not an A320 but an A319 at 54tons.

It's my mistake, not my video, but the A320 behaves in the same way. 54 or 65 tons plane don't make it a F16.

It doesn't behave the same way. Anyway the pilots that stream from what I can recall have not mentioned anything about the way it flies let alone trying to say it flies like an F16.

2 hours ago, carlanthony24 said:

It doesn't behave the same way. Anyway the pilots that stream from what I can recall have not mentioned anything about the way it flies let alone trying to say it flies like an F16.

it was a good FM before the patch, it was responding like any good liner, now it's responding too fast especially considering it with all the flaps out. If the dev and almost all the people want, it's not a good choice in my opinion. On this aspect PMDG is more than coherent to their original project, for sure.

20 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

it was a good FM before the patch, it was responding like any good liner, now it's responding too fast especially considering it with all the flaps out. If the dev and almost all the people want, it's not a good choice in my opinion. On this aspect PMDG is more than coherent to their original project, for sure.

Not what the pilots say. Not sure why you are comparing PMDG 737 its not even FBW. You are comparing it in two different sims.... If I remember correctly V1 Simulations liked it before but likes it even more now and feels just like he is flying it IRL.

Edited September 2, 20241 yr by carlanthony24

3 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Not what the pilots say. Not sure why you are comparing PMDG 737 its not even FBW. You are comparing it in two different sims.... If I remember correctly V1 Simulations liked it before but likes it even more now and feels just like he is flying it IRL.

I'm not comparing different liners, just saying that a liner should behave as a liner. An FBW airplane make flying easier, but the inertia is not changing. Before this patch the Fenix had a good FM (except the floating flare problem, which none of the real pilots seem to have noticed), that's it.

3 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

I'm not comparing different liners, just saying that a liner should behave as a liner. An FBW airplane make flying easier, but the inertia is not changing. Before this patch the Fenix had a good FM (except the floating flare problem, which none of the real pilots seem to have noticed), that's it.

Oh they notice it alright. Funny they even mentioned about the floating problem from before. Maybe you would like it if Fenix implement an unrealistic option.

7 hours ago, carlanthony24 said:

Maybe you would like it if Fenix implement an unrealistic option.

Maybe the flight model was better before the patch than now? And you before the patch was flying a "defective" flight model without problems, claiming the Fenix A320 the best airplane ever?

Anyway, the problem is there, Aamir says that you can correct the inertia acting on the joystick adjuments (!). Never seen similar overturns on a simulated airplane before, Fenix is on a wrong way if they are claiming their project goodness just because the real pilot and the majority of the people say this. If true, PMDG is largely superior to Fenix: no compromises from this point of view.

Edited September 2, 20241 yr by Claudius_

It’s comical to me to read all these sim pilots who’ve never flown an actual a320 comment on the flight model.  You literally have no ability to judge it!!

There are several real world pilots who stream the Fenix all the time and they comment that it’s about as close to perfect as you can get with the limitations of MSFS.  MSFS handles wind, particularly when close to the runway completely wrong-  and that’s been well documented in a recent V1-stimualtions stream in which he explains how in order to keep the plane aligned with the runway in MSFS he’s literally using completely opposite input with the ailerons than in real life.

I get that people want absolute perfection but Fenix is about as on point with this plane as is realistically possible given the significant issues with the way MSFS handles wind at low levels. Those are not my words- that’s essentially what a pilot with 1,000’s of hours in the plane says.  Just enjoy the plane for the work of art it is and deal with these “flight model” issues.  

Edited September 2, 20241 yr by jspilot