Hello. I have a question about PSXT that I would like to ask:
Today I flew from EKWR to CYUL, on a flight of approximately 1 hour and 15 minutes. When I arrived, I had the following options ticked:
ILO, PT only and Maxfit (24). However, when I landed, PSXT only injected 3 aircraft. In fact, according to fr24 and realtraffic many more had already arrived.
I have a professional RT license, however, before, on the same flight, when I arrived I could see exactly the "live parked" aircraft without the other options that are not real. The amount of airplanes exactly parked was always bigger than 10.
What am I doing wrong so that it is not like before? Isn't it "PT only" that injects my traffic at the destination airport since PSXT knows my destination? Thanks!

1 hour ago, Happytfe said:

Hello. I have a question about PSXT that I would like to ask:
Today I flew from EKWR to CYUL, on a flight of approximately 1 hour and 15 minutes. When I arrived, I had the following options ticked:
ILO, PT only and Maxfit (24). However, when I landed, PSXT only injected 3 aircraft. In fact, according to fr24 and realtraffic many more had already arrived.
I have a professional RT license, however, before, on the same flight, when I arrived I could see exactly the "live parked" aircraft without the other options that are not real. The amount of airplanes exactly parked was always bigger than 10.
What am I doing wrong so that it is not like before? Isn't it "PT only" that injects my traffic at the destination airport since PSXT knows my destination? Thanks!

PT Only injects parked traffic that comes from the RT stream ONLY. It doesn't use the airport file as a way of knowing what parked traffic may be there (which can also be supplementef with a larger Fit value).

Consequently, PT Only should place less parked aircraft than not using that option, but you know that those aircraft that are shown are really there.

7 minutes ago, mmcmah said:

PT Only injects parked traffic that comes from the RT stream ONLY. It doesn't use the airport file as a way of knowing what parked traffic may be there (which can also be supplementef with a larger Fit value).

Consequently, PT Only should place less parked aircraft than not using that option, but you know that those aircraft that are shown are really there.

Thanks, but I don't want to use the airport files: only the data that comes from Realtraffic. I say this because until recently, when I flew, for example, for 3 hours, upon arrival, I saw exactly the number of planes that, in that period of time, had arrived and parked. (except, of course, those that left again).
Currently, at any destination airport, after flying 40 minutes, 2 hours or 5... PSXT always injects 5 or 6 planes (no more). That is: it is not collecting the streaming data of the planes that arrive since my departure from the previous airport. Before this did happen.
I thought that maybe I'm doing something wrong. That's why I would like to know if something has changed or if I should tick or untick some option. Thanks! I don't need or want fake or estimated airport parking. Only real live ones. Thats why i pay a professional license. Before it was called: learning mode. 

6 hours ago, Happytfe said:

Thanks, but I don't want to use the airport files: only the data that comes from Realtraffic. I say this because until recently, when I flew, for example, for 3 hours, upon arrival, I saw exactly the number of planes that, in that period of time, had arrived and parked. (except, of course, those that left again).
Currently, at any destination airport, after flying 40 minutes, 2 hours or 5... PSXT always injects 5 or 6 planes (no more). That is: it is not collecting the streaming data of the planes that arrive since my departure from the previous airport. Before this did happen.
I thought that maybe I'm doing something wrong. That's why I would like to know if something has changed or if I should tick or untick some option. Thanks! I don't need or want fake or estimated airport parking. Only real live ones. Thats why i pay a professional license. Before it was called: learning mode. 

I just reread your message. Your problem might be ILO. It is probably not updating the aircraft that are injected into the arrival airport due to ILO being checked.

7 hours ago, Happytfe said:

Thanks, but I don't want to use the airport files: only the data that comes from Realtraffic. I say this because until recently, when I flew, for example, for 3 hours, upon arrival, I saw exactly the number of planes that, in that period of time, had arrived and parked. (except, of course, those that left again).

 That all being said, having Maxfit on 24 will potentially use parked statics from the last 12 hours. I tend to only use Maxfit 4 simulating a 2 hour turn.

2 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

 That all being said, having Maxfit on 24 will potentially use parked statics from the last 12 hours. I tend to only use Maxfit 4 simulating a 2 hour turn.

With PT only ticked PSXT will NOT use any information from the airport file, it will only use parked aircraft information from RT (quote from the manual "If true (on) PSXT will use the parked traffic (PT) info it receives from RealTraffic only! Hence options from the airport file are not used. This way you may get less aircraft, but all are at the right place for that time of day! This in combination with live parked traffic may be a good option.". I have ILO unticked, PT only ticked with Max fit 24. There are missing parked aircraft for sure, but from my experience, the 20-minute update cycle slowly corrects some of this. This issue of missing parked aircraft has been raised by me already directly with Nico.

4 hours ago, Harrier77 said:

With PT only ticked PSXT will NOT use any information from the airport file, it will only use parked aircraft information from RT (quote from the manual "If true (on) PSXT will use the parked traffic (PT) info it receives from RealTraffic only! Hence options from the airport file are not used. This way you may get less aircraft, but all are at the right place for that time of day!

Ah yes that's right, I remember seeing that now as well. I have just never really found PT Only to work well enough for me to want to use. So I stick to Maxfit 4.

8 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

 That all being said, having Maxfit on 24 will potentially use parked statics from the last 12 hours. I tend to only use Maxfit 4 simulating a 2 hour turn.

MaxFit 24 is pretty much unrealistic. 

I would say to use PT-only with airports that have qf>50.

Hello again and thanks for all your answer, but:

if I let ILO unticked,  I will find every 20 minutes that certain planes disappear and that others appear. That is exactly what we want to prevent using only live parked with profesional edition of realtraffic. 
 

when we had learning mode, PSXT received the planes of the airport destination and put them when i arrived there.
 

so, why should i have now to make a ILO every twenty minutes, if its supposed that with real traffic profesional license we can know all the planes that land?

i find a little bit more confusing than before. With the learning mode you could see the updated planes during your flight. Now , when you arrive: only 5 planes (for example in KORD, OR JFK, etc…). something then is wrong.

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3 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

I have just never really found PT Only to work well enough for me to want to use. So I stick to Maxfit 4.

I agree, PT-only is not working the way I expected it to.

2 hours ago, G-YMML1 said:

MaxFit 24 is pretty much unrealistic.

I disagree, if Max fit 24 is used with PT-only mode then only aircraft that have actually arrived in the previous 24 hours and are still present at the airport should be parked. However, if Max fit 24 is used with PT-only mode off then I agree that it is unrealistic as parking data will be taken from the airport file in addition to RT data, and some of the parking may not be correct.

2 hours ago, G-YMML1 said:

I would say to use PT-only with airports that have qf>50.

I would generally agree with this, but as I understand the information given by PSXT, the qf number relates to the quality of the airport file not the actual quality of the RT data being obtained. Correct me if I am wrong about this. I have also seen situations where the PT-only parking has been good at some lower qf airports, and bad at some higher qf airports.

When I first heard that RTv4 would use airport data for the previous 24 hours, and should therefore know what aircraft are actually parked at the airport for any given time, I got excited as I expected PSXT to now be able to show a complete and accurate picture of what the situation was at an airport when it first starts; unfortunately, my testing has shown that this is not the case. My testing has shown that in PT-only mode many aircraft that should be present at the airport are not parked by PSXT, this is particularly noticeable at airports first thing in the morning. The question therefore is, when in PT-only mode is PSXT not parking all the aircraft it should, or is RTv4 not providing complete data?

12 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

 I tend to only use Maxfit 4 simulating a 2 hour turn.

Maxfit 4 means a 4 hour turn. 

Although internally PSXT works with 48 half hours, a change was made (in the UI) - for user convenience- to speak about hours with one decimal, instead of half hours.  See the release notes of 8.0.0

22 hours ago, Happytfe said:

What am I doing wrong so that it is not like before? Isn't it "PT only" that injects my traffic at the destination airport since PSXT knows my destination? Thanks!

It is very similar to the former Learning mode but not completely the same. You must have missed that with 8.0.0 the learning mode has disappeared and the parked traffic directly from RT came in its place.  What PSXT was doing with Learning mode during your flight, is RT now doing (very rapidly) at the very moment when PSXT asks for the parked traffic at an airport at a certain time. The work has been shifted from the client (PSXT) to the Server (RT v4).

Here another phrase from the Release notes of 8.0.0:

·         RT knows the aircraft that are still parked at the airport, up to 24 hours, and PSXT parks them at the correct gates. Currently, RT does not know all the aircraft that should be parked, but improvements are expected!

I recommend for your use to uncheck ILO, check PT_only, and set maxfit at 6 hours, so you still have heavies that have arrived but not yet left, but 24 may work too, you will see lots of aircraft within 4 hours and just one or two that are from 20 hours or so ago..

Then you do not get any static aircraft from the airport files, only static from PT and soon live parked aircraft too.

Note: also be aware that the settings ILO, etc are overwritten by your settings when you were the previous time at that airport (stored in your learned airport file). So make sure the settings are as you want. 

 

Edited September 26, 20241 yr by kiek

49 minutes ago, Harrier77 said:

The question therefore is, when in PT-only mode is PSXT not parking all the aircraft it should, or is RTv4 not providing complete data?

The latter.

21 hours ago, Happytfe said:

I have a professional RT license, however, before, on the same flight, when I arrived I could see exactly the "live parked" aircraft without the other options that are not real. 

The Parked traffic from RT is available with a standard license.

A professional license gives you the 4 weeks time shift option.

Edited September 26, 20241 yr by kiek

34 minutes ago, kiek said:

It is very similar to the former Learning mode but not completely the same. You must have missed that with 8.0.0 the learning mode has disappeared and the parked traffic directly from RT came in its place.  What PSXT was doing with Learning mode during your flight, is RT now doing (very rapidly) at the very moment when PSXT asks for the parked traffic at an airport at a certain time. The work has been shifted from the client (PSXT) to the Server (RT v4).

Here another phrase from the Release notes of 8.0.0:

·         RT knows the aircraft that are still parked at the airport, up to 24 hours, and PSXT parks them at the correct gates. Currently, RT does not know all the aircraft that should be parked, but improvements are expected!

I recommend for your use to uncheck ILO, check PT_only, and set maxfit at 6 hours, so you still have heavies that have arrived but not yet left, but 24 may work too, you will see lots of aircraft within 4 hours and just one or two that are from 20 hours or so ago..

Then you do not get any static aircraft from the airport files, only static from PT and soon live parked aircraft too.

Note: also be aware that the settings ILO, etc are overwritten by your settings when you were the previous time at that airport (stored in your learned airport file). So make sure the settings are as you want. 

 

Thank you kiek for the support. I will then tick the PT ONLY and untick ILO. Also maxfit to 6 and test it. 

It's wonderful to get to an airport and find vacant spaces at the gates that, as in reality, are not occupied. Realism is destroyed when one plane arrives and makes the other disappear. Thank you and I will write the results if you allow me!