I am happy that I haven't missed the sale this time again. When I buy the PMDG 737 via the market place will that have any disadvantages for me? Can I install regular livery via PMDG app or that I download via flightsim.to ?

 

Is the PMDG still worth since the ifly has been released? Optically the ifly is probably better (though it never and implemented never technology and made use of the msfs engine) but the PMDG might be system-wise still very good?

Edited October 18, 20241 yr by 737_800

I don't see any reason to purchase the 737ng in the marketplace, if you're using a PC, other than you don't have to worry about checking another program for updates. They get their updates later than those who purchase directly from PMDG due to vetting processes and sometimes there are quirks that come up and PMDG can't use the exact same method to accomplish something. Also I believe they still do charge for livery packs when you purchase through the marketplace ($5?) due to limitations with the marketplace. If you purchase from pmdg directly, you can install whatever liveries you want from their selection. [Post Edit: Marketplace purchases on PC can install liveries from OP center and from external download sites] I believe msft, xbox, and/or asobo get a cut of marketplace purchases so you may help support them in purchasing through that.

In my opinion, the PMDG is worthwhile, currently. The ifly is a great aircraft for sure and has more features especially visually, but in terms of systems, there are pluses and minuses for both aircraft. The iFly is basically a brand new aircraft (hasn't even officially released) so there are bugs, which is expected, and new features are expected to be added as well. If you can only buy one or the other, I'd wait a month or two to see how they both develop. PMDG is getting set to release a pretty important update to their 737 line within the coming weeks (and may end up raising the cost a bit as supposedly that's the end of their "early access" phase). My personal opinion is that I'm willing to bet that if iFly takes the time to squash those initial bugs properly, and integrate more systems features, it would be the better overall plane to go for over the PMDG (especially since it is a newer 737 as well).

Edited October 18, 20241 yr by Kevin_28

iFly's is a very good product (albeit unfinished), but I would be careful before calling it superior to PMDG as an overall offering. IMHO, it is not. Both are great options, though.

That being said, we're talking about different aircraft offering different experiences. The MAX and the 800/700/900 are not something I'd consider alternative to each other exactly like I don't consider sufficient having only one between the A320 neo an ceo. Personally, I need both to simulate different airlines and routes.

Edited October 18, 20241 yr by Abriael

6 minutes ago, Kevin_28 said:

I don't see any reason to purchase the 737ng in the marketplace, if you're using a PC, other than you don't have to worry about checking another program for updates. They get their updates later than those who purchase directly from PMDG due to vetting processes and sometimes there are quirks that come up and PMDG can't use the exact same method to accomplish something. Also I believe they still do charge for livery packs when you purchase through the marketplace ($5?) due to limitations with the marketplace. If you purchase from pmdg directly, you can install whatever liveries you want from their selection. I believe msft, xbox, and/or asobo get a cut of marketplace purchases so you may help support them in purchasing through that.

I would need to know for sure if I can install all available liveries on flightsim.to or use the PMDG app for installation before purchase since I am not going to pay for liveries for a PC version. I don't mind if the updates appear a little late since they don't update the product that often, but what do you mean by quirks? Will it be more buggy or will it destroy the experience?

 

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PMDG is getting set to release a pretty important update to their 737 line within the coming weeks (and may end up raising the cost a bit as supposedly that's the end of their "early access" phase). My personal opinion is that I'm willing to bet that if iFly takes the time to squash those initial bugs properly, it would be the better overall plane to go for over the PMDG (especially since it is a newer 737 as well).

Do you mean PMDG here or ifly? Since I am not aware that the PMDG has been still on "early access"

2 hours ago, 737_800 said:

I would need to know for sure if I can install all available liveries on flightsim.to or use the PMDG app for installation before purchase since I am not going to pay for liveries for a PC version. I don't mind if the updates appear a little late since they don't update the product that often, but what do you mean by quirks? Will it be more buggy or will it destroy the experience?

 

Do you mean PMDG here or ifly? Since I am not aware that the PMDG has been still on "early access"

Marketplace items are encrypted, so I believe that means you won't be able to install liveries from PMDG's operations center nor flightsim.to. [Post edit: This is incorrect as stated below by DD_Arthur] I would recommend purchasing from PMDG directly.

PMDG is still on "early access" meaning it's not full featured. They will be raising their prices on the 737 after they release their final feature updates. Whether if that's the next release or ones shortly after, I cannot recall.

Edited October 18, 20241 yr by Kevin_28

1 minute ago, Kevin_28 said:

Marketplace items are encrypted, so I believe that means you won't be able to install liveries from PMDG's operations center nor flightsim.to. I would recommend purchasing from PMDG directly.

PMDG is still on "early access" meaning it's not full featured. They will be raising their prices on the 737 after they release their final feature updates. Whether if that's the next release or ones shortly after, I cannot recall.

You believe, but I need that answer for sure, since I also heard the opposite that I can put the liveries into the community folder and it will be recognized. I don't know however if this is possible for changing the cockpit textures. The encryption might apply to open .cfg files, but this would be only necceary to set custom views in MSFS as far as I know, so I would also like to know if that is possibel with the marketplace version.

It's on sale right now on the market place, since I have to pay around 20% taxes on top if I purchase directly via PMDG.com, that nothing I am willing to pay, since I am not a fan of the pricing policy by PMDG.

@Kevin_28That’s not correct. If you’re on PC and buy the PDMG through the market place there is nothing to stop you downloading the Operations Centre from PMDG and installing their liveries or liveries from Flightsim. to.

The livery restrictions only apply to Xbox users as they can’t download the OC.

Edited October 18, 20241 yr by DD_Arthur

I bought the 736 directly from PMDG, but the 738 from the Marketplace, when it was on sale.

I can install liveries for both from the PMDG Operations Center.

Updates for the 736 can also be installed from the Ops Center, but for the 738 I have to wait a couple of weeks until the update is released to the Marketplace.

6 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

@Kevin_28That’s not correct. If you’re on PC and buy the PDMG through the market place there is nothing to stop you downloading the Operations Centre from PMDG and installing their liveries or liveries from Flightsim. to.

The livery restrictions only apply to Xbox users as they can’t download the OC.

I stand corrected. Many thanks!

2 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

That’s not correct. If you’re on PC and buy the PDMG through the market place there is nothing to stop you downloading the Operations Centre from PMDG and installing their liveries or liveries from Flightsim. to.

The livery restrictions only apply to Xbox users as they can’t download the OC.

Also, even if the aircraft themselves are encrypted you can still add liveries from flightsim.to to the community folder. The only thing you cannot do is view or make changes to the encrypted files*

*While you cannot change these originals you can still create new files (e.g. aircraft.cfg) to override the default but without knowing what's in the original that is hard to do.

4 minutes ago, Penz said:

I bought the 736 directly from PMDG, but the 738 from the Marketplace, when it was on sale.

I can install liveries for both from the PMDG Operations Center.

Updates for the 736 can also be installed from the Ops Center, but for the 738 I have to wait a couple of weeks until the update is released to the Marketplace.

Can you shortly elaborate on my other points if you know for sure in my last post, because I would like to buy it soon.

1. Is is also possible to install stuff like that with the marketplace version? https://flightsim.to/file/55578/pmdg-737-800-4k-hd-wear-and-tear-textures-join-discord-for-all-updates-and-variants

2. Can I set custom views with the market place version and if so, how?

3. Is there any disadvantages (long term) except the updates take longer to be available on the market place?

11 minutes ago, 737_800 said:

You believe, but I need that answer for sure, since I also heard the opposite that I can put the liveries into the community folder and it will be recognized. I don't know however if this is possible for changing the cockpit textures. The encryption might apply to open .cfg files, but this would be only necceary to set custom views in MSFS as far as I know, so I would also like to know if that is possibel with the marketplace version.

It's on sale right now on the market place, since I have to pay around 20% taxes on top if I purchase directly via PMDG.com, that nothing I am willing to pay, since I am not a fan of the pricing policy by PMDG.

I have no idea if the encryption would allow you to change cockpit textures. Maybe @DD_Arthur or @Allard will know.

9 minutes ago, Penz said:

.....Updates for the 736 can also be installed from the Ops Center, but for the 738 I have to wait a couple of weeks until the update is released to the Marketplace.

I have been waiting over four weeks for an MS Marketplace update to one of my addon airports, and it has still not appeared. I wouldn't mind if it was only a minor update, but this is to correct serious errors in the alignment of the runway centreline markings....something that I reported to the developer nearly six months ago. It's ridiculous how long it takes Microsoft to clear updates for products that are already being sold in the marketplace

1 hour ago, 737_800 said:

I am happy that I haven't missed the sale this time again. When I buy the PMDG 737 via the market place will that have any disadvantages for me? Can I install regular livery via PMDG app or that I download via flightsim.to ?

If you're flying in PC, yes, you can still install liveries. All the liveres you download from Flightsim.to are PTP files that need to be installed via PMDG Operations Center. The only disadvantage is that updates will take a bit longer to arrive. Source: I got the PMDG birds through Marketplace.

If you're in Xbox, sadly, the only way to get liveries is through the livery packs.

1 hour ago, 737_800 said:

Is the PMDG still worth since the ifly has been released? Optically the ifly is probably better (though it never and implemented never technology and made use of the msfs engine) but the PMDG might be system-wise still very good?

Let's begin by stating that they are different birds and thus, different experiences. The PMDG 737 is a fine bird. The only downside is the lack of weather radar (I hope to be wrong). I haven't yet tried the iFly one.

Edited October 18, 20241 yr by Luis Hernandez

4 minutes ago, Luis Hernandez said:

If you're flying in PC, yes, you can still install liveries. All the liveres you download from Flightsim.to are PTP files that need to be installed via PMDG Operations Center. The only disadvantage is that updates will take a bit longer to arrive. Source: I got the PMDG birds through Marketplace.

If you're in Xbox, sadly, the only way to get liveries is through the livery packs.

Let's begin by stating that they are different birds and thus, different experiences. The PMDG 737 is a fine bird. The only downside is the lack of weather radar (I hope to be wrong). I haven't yet tried the iFly one.

Whats about custom wingviews how to set up these on the market place version? And the last unanswered question is, can I use the PMDG 737 800 4K & HD Wear and Tear Textures (which available on flightsim to ?