Kevin_28

Feel free to ignore the wall of text. Not that I really venture outside of the flight deck or have a keen eye to notice, or care about, these visual quality things, but I have already come to grips with the fact that whatever decisions they made with texture quality, they decided to do due to performance optimizations, especially considering that these need to function well enough on older console platforms. You can see this in regards to that initial scan quality photo that was shown earlier and what MK stated after the fact. I think I remember Robert even saying that he doesn't really consider PMDG the top in terms of innovation anymore, so I stopped coming at it from that expectation. In terms of price, I'm not as sensitive to this as others so I'm ok with dropping money down for this as I genuinely enjoy flying them and find that it's worth it even if it's not as accurate FM/systems wise as it could be (ignorance is bliss). It's still a high fidelity aircraft in my, and I would gather the vast majority of others, view. Still hope they end up listening to the valid criticisms and improve. If a better fidelity 737/777 comes along, then I'll gladly move over. New plane or not, they still have one of the more expansive fleets given the quality, especially considering the constantly evolving changes to the sim platform. At least they are actively working on new planes.

I'm waiting patiently. I'm more annoyed at the toxic portion of the fs community that thought it was ok to harass Fenix because they didn't meet their deadlines, thus forcing them to no longer give frequent updates on their progress.

Firstly, I'm not going to comment on the fairness of the ban as I don't know what went on that led to that. If you said something like, "Do we have any update on the release of the next build because it's been x days since the last update?" and you were banned instantly for that, then yea it would be questionable. However if you were being overly hostile and start accusing them of taking your money and running or something like that, yea I can see that leading to a ban. Secondly, on their discord announcement section, their last update on 03/14/2026 was: "@everyone The beta beta team is now testing the second beta for SP1... Please realize there is no official ETA yet, but we have let them know they can share aircraft information, pictures, videos, etc." Indeed, you did see people posting videos showcasing things like the improved efb, so I'm not quite sure why you seem to think that they are not being transparent with updates. Ex:

Nevermind. it was answered

Just make sure you're getting v2.0 https://www.flightbeam.net/product-page/kpdx-v2-for-microsoft-flight-simulator

Just so we are clear. I was, in no way, being argumentative. I was posing questions for clarification and trying to get a better understanding of how all that works. I have seen different configs for the same type in the same airline, so I was trying to figure out if they are taking that into account or not.

I always edited the instrument panels anyway to my liking. Correct me if I am mistaken, isn't it based off of that particular tail number and not simply just the livery? For those commenting and saying that it is not correct, is it based off of your experience in that specific tail number, just in general, or does it not matter? Also, it can be that the data they collected was from that particular tail number but the config is based off an earlier panel that has since changed.

Yea really a lot of the bugs that are brought up frequently are things that only real pilots can point out as not quite being accurate, such as how it hand flies or a bit of a wobble or an overcorrection in a turn. Without their feedback, we would likely not notice as you have, or just assumed it's accurate. Some would label that as nitpicky. I tend to acknowledge those and hope PMDG learns to take that criticism and improve upon it if needed. It could be that their close net of RW pilots don't see it as an issue, so they don't think it is. I don't know. That being said, I also try to view the plane more holistically as a high quality 737 addon, and not get too riled up such that I endlessly harp on negatives about the plane and disparage the developers. As everyone else says, if you enjoy it, that's all that matters. No plane is going to match up with the real one 100%.

For sure he was having a bad day. That doesn't excuse the response, of course. The internet community can be very toxic and even a small percentage of a largely very vocal base will cause headaches for any person (see also Fenix and why they no longer report estimated release times) . You have to have thick skin when you're selling your products online. People have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to PMDG and, in my opinion, it's mostly because of how PMDG and some of their fans have behaved and continued to behave. I think PMDG are a little better now than they were back in the FSX/P3D days. All I know is that, as someone who sells products online over a decade, I would be mortified if I or any of my CS team communicated with my customer base like they have at times. That being said, I do like their product and felt that the $30 fine enough for me to spend on considering how much I use it, though not exactly what I wanted ($15). Whatever, they know how much they need to keep afloat and cover their expenses to continue to churn out their addon planes and I don't.

Were you logged into the store before you added it to the cart?

Did that for me so I removed it from my cart refreshed and added it back in. The product reflected the upgrade price and description. May need to contact pmdg if it charged you full price.

iirc, there is going to be an expansion package to current owners, so most likely it will not be the same price as the full plane. I would assume that they are including the expansion package with the base for those who buy the full version of the plane (full price) when it is put back on sale.

Be sure to check their official page: https://www.flythemaddog.com/site/ Fly the Maddog 20th Anniversary is scheduled to release on Dec 20th, 12:00 CET

Ah! My bad, bud!

You do update the navdata through the EFB for the PMDG

What's the question?

No idea how long, but Mathijs did make this comment recently: "Don't worry, we are in close contact with WINWING. Their new 737 line will even be labelled "Co-developed with PMDG"! Just wait until you do a landing using their Force Feedback yoke with low hydraulic pressure. That will put some muscle on your arm (seriously)."

If it's under $10 I'm happy with that. Over $15, I would raise an eyebrow. I just want native compatibility to 2024 and I'm looking forward to the updated FMC. Ultimately, I don't know their cost of operations (salaries, etc) and income so I'm admittedly out of my depth when it comes to criticizing how much a company charges for the amount of man hours they put into a product (which is apparently "thousands" according to what he said 6 mos ago). Sounds and graphics are not as big of an issue on my end, but at least it's an improvement. I think PMDG got a little too tied up in the eye candy, not that I blame them considering people kept bringing up the benefit of iFly's cabin quality, controlling lighting, opening bins, etc. Love it or hate it, as someone posted in the other 737 thread, Mathijs clearly stated that they don't want to have two separate lines of aircraft so we have to face facts that they had to make compromises to allow their plane to be used on XBOX with decent performance.

If Boris' sound set caused PMDG to push themselves further to make sure their sound set is more competitive, that's only more beneficial to people like me who couldn't be bothered with the differences enough to spend money on it. 😛

One thing I appreciated from the interview is Robert acknowledging that PMDG, though is known for generally doing a good job, should not always considered the bar and that MSFS sorta threw them into a "5 year process" of recalibrating their identity. They had to reorient themselves to new customer expectations from the upgraded environment of MSFS (namely sounds and graphics). For me, that was never much of a problem as I was more of a systems guy than anything (which hopefully they continue to improve). I rarely if ever go into the cabin and I have no idea how the sound environment is in the flight deck, as I'm not a RW pilot, so I sorta shrug it off as the current ones are sorta believable for a basic layman. None of those things are immersion killers for me. Graphically I never considered the modeling to be that bad. I've certainly seen worse on payware products. Honestly, I'm just happy that PMDG's contribution in bringing three families of high fidelity airliners to MSFS at such a great pace, even if they seemingly fall short to expectations to some.

Part of me wonders if they ended up trying out Boris' sound set and are trying to redo some of their updated sound sets to be more competitive. I do wonder how many people they have working on these sound sets. Whoever it is, are they trying to juggle the 777, 747's, and 737s?

Yea that's what I kinda figured.

I am curious as to how exactly a discord to a major game/simulator/etc like MSFS would play out. While I've used discord for many years, I've only seen it used in the context of smaller communities, streamers, and 3rd party devs. How chaotic would that server be? Do Devs find that discord comes with more of a demand for proactiveness on the side of the support staff versus a forum? Is Asobo generally pretty good at being responsive to those levels?

Note that Fenix is using default weather radar that Asobo gave access to 3rd party devs (no other alternative). The reason why the weather appears to be running away is due to the fact that you're actually not on the actual level as the weather layer. The radar is using a fixed conical return from the plane. The further you are from the plane the more wider the radar covers, so you'll potentially get more returns vertically as you view further away.

It comes with liveries. However note that they are very limited from PMDG's side as there are only a handful of operators. You will likely need to go to addon sites like flightsim.to to find additional fictional liveries. There are significantly more now than there were even just a couple months ago.