October 22, 20241 yr Author 1 hour ago, F737MAX said: Leaving the power saving feature on for USB ports has been known to cause issues in MSFS. I am going to check all my USB ports, something definitely happened not that long ago when this started. I do use Spad Next and I am pretty sure that disables all the USB power saving and notifies you each time you plug in a new device. I just got a Tiller and Spad asked me to restart as an administrator to fix the power saving the first time it ran with the Tiller connected Richard i7-12700K | Noctua NH-D15S Black Version | MSI Pro Z690 - A | 32 GB DDR4 3600 | Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 | 1TB WD Blue NMVe (MSFS 2020) | 500 GB WD Black Gen 4 NVMe | 4TB WD Black Conventional | Fractal Design Torrent Case | Seasonic 1000W Gold Plus PSU | Thrustmaster Boeing Yoke | Honeycomb Throttle | Airbus Side Stick | Virpil Rudder Pedals | Sony X90K 55 Inch TV |
October 22, 20241 yr Do you use popout panel manager? I had freeze problems with latest Nvidia drivers. Enabling use alt display renderer and disabling vsync in Fenix app fixed everything, don’t ask me how.
October 22, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, rob0203 said: Do you use popout panel manager? I had freeze problems with latest Nvidia drivers. Enabling use alt display renderer and disabling vsync in Fenix app fixed everything, don’t ask me how. Can't speak for OP obvs but for my part yes I do use pop out panel manager. So far, reverting to the older Nvidia driver (556.12) seems to have fixed the issue. Early days though 🙂 14900ks, RTX4090, 64Gb@6000-30-36-36-T2, Samsung 990Pro 2Tb , Dell G3223Q 32" 4k Gsync + 27" secondary monitor. Thrustmaster Airbus Edition throttles etc, TPR pedals, MiniCockpit FCU, WinWings FCU, WinWings Orion 2 F15E, WinWings A320 sticks.
October 22, 20241 yr Author 18 minutes ago, rob0203 said: Do you use popout panel manager? I did try it a while back but didn't end up using it, yesterday I rolled back to driver 560.81 as I had recently updated too the latest, unfortunately the incident where the plane froze in the air was with 560.81. Maybe I will give 556.12 a try Edited October 22, 20241 yr by RJC68 Richard i7-12700K | Noctua NH-D15S Black Version | MSI Pro Z690 - A | 32 GB DDR4 3600 | Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 | 1TB WD Blue NMVe (MSFS 2020) | 500 GB WD Black Gen 4 NVMe | 4TB WD Black Conventional | Fractal Design Torrent Case | Seasonic 1000W Gold Plus PSU | Thrustmaster Boeing Yoke | Honeycomb Throttle | Airbus Side Stick | Virpil Rudder Pedals | Sony X90K 55 Inch TV |
October 22, 20241 yr Bet you wish you could save flights and restore from the freeze like some other aircraft but every time I mention this on forums I am told fenix owners don't require this ability Colin hodds I7 9700K,nvidia 3090 ,ssd ,32gig 3200mhz ram ,win10,prep3d
October 23, 20241 yr Author Well just did a flight on NVIDIA driver 560.81 which was my previous version, got to the gate and shut the engines down and it locked up. The engine displays shut down but did not stop at zero they just kept going into minus values. Man this is annoying, time to give up on the Fenix for a while ! Richard i7-12700K | Noctua NH-D15S Black Version | MSI Pro Z690 - A | 32 GB DDR4 3600 | Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 | 1TB WD Blue NMVe (MSFS 2020) | 500 GB WD Black Gen 4 NVMe | 4TB WD Black Conventional | Fractal Design Torrent Case | Seasonic 1000W Gold Plus PSU | Thrustmaster Boeing Yoke | Honeycomb Throttle | Airbus Side Stick | Virpil Rudder Pedals | Sony X90K 55 Inch TV |
October 23, 20241 yr I looked at the Fenix Discord stream and sure didn't see any discussion of a problem like this. The second issue in your OP (freeze during approach segment) sounds like a known issue that occasionally affects a number of add-ons, and is thought to be some kind of lock-up in simconnect itself. Having recurring failures at shutdown is perplexing. When I try to what-if it, I ask myself "what is happening at that point that doesn't happen elsewhere in a flight profile?" The only thing that jumps out at me is the large number of objects that are present when at an airport...again, it kind of points to simconnect. Also, how exactly are you shutting down the engines? I note that you are using Spad Next--I wonder if maybe you're using a button/switch mapped to a generic sim control rather than the Fenix panel's control. With a 4090, I wouldn't suspect that a normally-functioning GPU couldn't keep up. Your 12700K, however, might be a part of the problem. Maybe try limiting the frame rate in the sim with a utility like MSI's RTSS, and see if you reproduce it. Try limiting the frame rate to something mid-range like ~30 fps or so to give the CPU some headroom rather than having it cranking out frames as fast as possible and see if the problem persists. And I'd also put it into Dev mode with the frame time inset up and see if CPU or GPU load does anything weird during arrival/shutdown. Might also be useful to try at several airports of progressively higher complexity to see if there's a correlation there--starting from a small default ramp-only field working your way on up to a large complex airport. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
October 23, 20241 yr Author 1 hour ago, Bob Scott said: I looked at the Fenix Discord stream and sure didn't see any discussion of a problem like this. The second issue in your OP (freeze during approach segment) sounds like a known issue that occasionally affects a number of add-ons, and is thought to be some kind of lock-up in simconnect itself. Having recurring failures at shutdown is perplexing. When I try to what-if it, I ask myself "what is happening at that point that doesn't happen elsewhere in a flight profile?" The only thing that jumps out at me is the large number of objects that are present when at an airport...again, it kind of points to simconnect. Also, how exactly are you shutting down the engines? I note that you are using Spad Next--I wonder if maybe you're using a button/switch mapped to a generic sim control rather than the Fenix panel's control. With a 4090, I wouldn't suspect that a normally-functioning GPU couldn't keep up. Your 12700K, however, might be a part of the problem. Maybe try limiting the frame rate in the sim with a utility like MSI's RTSS, and see if you reproduce it. Try limiting the frame rate to something mid-range like ~30 fps or so to give the CPU some headroom rather than having it cranking out frames as fast as possible and see if the problem persists. And I'd also put it into Dev mode with the frame time inset up and see if CPU or GPU load does anything weird during arrival/shutdown. Might also be useful to try at several airports of progressively higher complexity to see if there's a correlation there--starting from a small default ramp-only field working your way on up to a large complex airport. Thing is Bob everything was perfect up until about a week ago, I have had zero issues with the Fenix, it is my most flown aircraft. I do limit my FPS to 72 in RTSS as this gives me a near perfect frame time variance. I have been using the switches on my TCA Airbus throttle to shutdown the engines, this worked out of the box with the Fenix. I have tried default airports and 3rd party airports, it does not make a difference. What happened yesterday seems to be a one off with it freezing on approach, I have just completed 2 flights and both times I got too the gate without issues but when I shut down the engines it locks up. Tomorrow I am going to remove my TCA throttle and see what happens. Edited October 23, 20241 yr by RJC68 Richard i7-12700K | Noctua NH-D15S Black Version | MSI Pro Z690 - A | 32 GB DDR4 3600 | Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 | 1TB WD Blue NMVe (MSFS 2020) | 500 GB WD Black Gen 4 NVMe | 4TB WD Black Conventional | Fractal Design Torrent Case | Seasonic 1000W Gold Plus PSU | Thrustmaster Boeing Yoke | Honeycomb Throttle | Airbus Side Stick | Virpil Rudder Pedals | Sony X90K 55 Inch TV |
October 23, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Bob Scott said: I looked at the Fenix Discord stream and sure didn't see any discussion of a problem like this. https://discord.com/channels/736572376967282769/1294849791452254288 https://discord.com/channels/736572376967282769/1295350531232890952 https://discord.com/channels/736572376967282769/1298337531389018204 https://discord.com/channels/736572376967282769/1298232851392757771 https://discord.com/channels/736572376967282769/1297245420770295970 https://discord.com/channels/736572376967282769/1297129410020905112 https://discord.com/channels/736572376967282769/1294812775607963729 https://discord.com/channels/736572376967282769/1294029441378291753 https://discord.com/channels/736572376967282769/1293242988851499141 https://discord.com/channels/736572376967282769/1292226187443044423 https://discord.com/channels/736572376967282769/1291503974788239381 Symptoms maybe slightly different but it's the same issue. Common issues: - Screens freeze - Screens crazy behavior, plane is uncontrollable - No actual Fenix or Sim crashes
October 23, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, RJC68 said: Well just did a flight on NVIDIA driver 560.81 which was my previous version, got to the gate and shut the engines down and it locked up. The engine displays shut down but did not stop at zero they just kept going into minus values. Man this is annoying, time to give up on the Fenix for a while ! Did you try with version 556.12? 14900ks, RTX4090, 64Gb@6000-30-36-36-T2, Samsung 990Pro 2Tb , Dell G3223Q 32" 4k Gsync + 27" secondary monitor. Thrustmaster Airbus Edition throttles etc, TPR pedals, MiniCockpit FCU, WinWings FCU, WinWings Orion 2 F15E, WinWings A320 sticks.
October 23, 20241 yr Commercial Member You mentioned reaching out to support, can you please advise what your ticket number was so I can take a look myself? Aamir Thacker
October 23, 20241 yr I think we keep forgetting how complex our setups have become. I am amazed at the ability that the software has evolved into and manages to keep everything running. Remember FSX? I was having an issue with lock-ups as well, but they have become quite random after reinstalling the USB drivers and eliminating an external dock altogether and all USB power management settings were turned off. Almost all USB ports are in use as well as two iPads that are used for emulating the FMCG and EFB, so a lot is going on with my pc. The event viewer pointed to a display issue where the GPU was overloaded, I am running a slightly older PC with an i79700K and a GTX 3080 Ti. The simconnect reference is interesting and I will have to keep that in mind the next time the sim locks up. I will be back home this weekend after three weeks away. I am really missing the Fenix busses. Edited October 23, 20241 yr by HUSSAR Added info. \Robert Hamlich/
October 23, 20241 yr Author 2 hours ago, Aamir said: You mentioned reaching out to support, can you please advise what your ticket number was so I can take a look myself? Good Morning Aamir, Here is the ticket: FenixSim Support 4057354625 Richard i7-12700K | Noctua NH-D15S Black Version | MSI Pro Z690 - A | 32 GB DDR4 3600 | Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 | 1TB WD Blue NMVe (MSFS 2020) | 500 GB WD Black Gen 4 NVMe | 4TB WD Black Conventional | Fractal Design Torrent Case | Seasonic 1000W Gold Plus PSU | Thrustmaster Boeing Yoke | Honeycomb Throttle | Airbus Side Stick | Virpil Rudder Pedals | Sony X90K 55 Inch TV |
October 23, 20241 yr Author 6 hours ago, tfm said: Did you try with version 556.12? I installed this version last night and just about to setup a flight now and test Richard i7-12700K | Noctua NH-D15S Black Version | MSI Pro Z690 - A | 32 GB DDR4 3600 | Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 | 1TB WD Blue NMVe (MSFS 2020) | 500 GB WD Black Gen 4 NVMe | 4TB WD Black Conventional | Fractal Design Torrent Case | Seasonic 1000W Gold Plus PSU | Thrustmaster Boeing Yoke | Honeycomb Throttle | Airbus Side Stick | Virpil Rudder Pedals | Sony X90K 55 Inch TV |
October 23, 20241 yr Four flights now completed using Nvidia 556.12 without incident, including using all the triggers I could think of which would previously be associated with an issue (mainly Lossless Scaling, pop out manager, using GSync, opening apps outside sim, using display sync setting). Edited October 23, 20241 yr by tfm 14900ks, RTX4090, 64Gb@6000-30-36-36-T2, Samsung 990Pro 2Tb , Dell G3223Q 32" 4k Gsync + 27" secondary monitor. Thrustmaster Airbus Edition throttles etc, TPR pedals, MiniCockpit FCU, WinWings FCU, WinWings Orion 2 F15E, WinWings A320 sticks.
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