Hmmmmmm....

 

And so it's actually clear to me that none of the MSFS 2020 addons will really work properly in MSFS 2024, but I already thought that before because since I've been doing flight simulation it's always been more or less like that with a successor of the next Simulator !

I didn't expect anything different...

cheers 😉

Although not completely unexpected, it is a little bummer. As I aimed for a rather short time of a parallel installation of both sims (bet there will be issues using both in parallel). Now it starts to look like a longer period, well then...

Not really surprising for whoever has been involved in flight simulation in the past...

And the reason - for me - to hold on 2020 at least six months before jumping ships. By that time dust will have settled, giving the time to most developers to figure the way to adapt their addons to the new simulator, to Asobo to iron out the initial unavoidable bugs, and the various fora to lower the temperature of their debates back to reasonable and cordial exchange of points of view.

For me MSFS 2024 will come in May 2025, the same way that MSFS 2020 joined my PC on April 2021. I am extremely impressed by what Asobo and Microsoft are delivering to us and to see the immense progress this hobby has gone through in the past thirty years, expending vastly its market base at the same time.

1 hour ago, pmplayer said:

And so it's actually clear to me that none of the MSFS 2020 addons will really work properly in MSFS 2024

This is literally false. Many developers mention that many of their addons work flawlessly in MSFS2024. How did you get from that reality to "none of the MSFS 2020 addons will really work properly in MSFS 2024" only you know.

Also, nice sensationalist FUD video, not to mention very badly thought out.

Let's start with an anonymous, inflammatory comment from "someone" to set the tone, almost like we should consider some random dude speaking from behind the shield of anonymity as the most trustworthy of the bunch? Assuming they even exist. 

Then let's move on to comments from "developers" without even bothering to mention who said what. These are all publicly available and signed statements, so none of them requires anonymity. Taking and utilizing them in this video without even bothering to credit them not only genericizes their contribution to the issue, as the viewer doesn't know what kinds of add-ons they make, but it's also ethically contemptible. When you cite someone, taking advantage of their comments, you should ALWAYS credit them. It's not rocket science. 

The hilariously bad part is that he bothered to write "anonymous" on the inflammatory anonymous comment, but he did not bother to credit people who aren't anonymous at all. I have trouble finding the words to describe how bad that is. 

And then the big elephant in the room. All these statements are bunched together in way that makes it look like they talke about a singular issue, but they talk about two very separate issues. 

One is simple backward compatibility of add-ons for MSFS working in MSFS2024, which from most accounts seems to be pretty smooth with minor issues that Asobo is working to fix for a large percentage of add-ons.

The other is implementing MSFS2024 native features, which will take much longer, and no one should be surprised, as Asobo warned about that before.

Putting them together without distinction in a big anonymous hot pot creates a massively skewed view of the issue, making this video far from even being serviceable, and quite misleading. 

Whether that's intentional to stir the pot or because the author doesn't know what he's talking about and doesn't have any idea on how to create a decent report without mislead, I don't know. 

Of course, perhaps I expected too much. I shouldn't expect barebones respect of reporting ethics from a video with clickbait like all caps "MIGHT NOT BE SO EASY!" in the very title.

Edited October 30, 20241 yr by Abriael

From my stand point, i had been planning to remove 2020 within the first month or so as this info has moved since the original statements on the launch of 2024. If i recall the info at the time went along the lines of any Market Place purchases will work fine in the new sim, now if that's the case, therefore it would have been reasonable to expect the likes of the PMDG aircraft will work fine in 2024. Now i'm not so sure. (Call me naive  if it fits) But having only re-started flight simming with the launch of 2020, and the new sim being built on the back of 2020, i had thought it was going to be pretty seamless. 

Time will tell, and with this in mind, along with the FBW A380 launching tomorrow, i am going to now wait until after 2024 launches before purchasing, just to see what transpires. and wait until the tubeliners i like to fly PMDG, Fenix, Leonardo etc, etc are functioning as they should. For me, what it really means is now i am planning sticking with 2020 for a lot longer than initially planned.

57 minutes ago, Abriael said:

nice sensationalist FUD video

That pretty much sums it up.

The honest answer to how well 2020 addons will work in 2024 is: No one knows, because very likely the final release build doesn't even exist yet. But of course that message doesn't generate any clicks.

1 minute ago, martinboehme said:

That pretty much sums it up.

The honest answer to how well 2020 addons will work in 2024 is: No one knows, because very likely the final release build doesn't even exist yet. But of course that message doesn't generate any clicks.

It's truly shameless, and as this thread proves, some are already being mislead. 

I am not being misled, i am simply waiting until the launch of 2024, and the reality on Nov 19th. If all is well, then there's no issue, and i'll moving over. If not, i'll be remaining  on 2020 until the more complex airliners are working as they should.

3 minutes ago, Simselli said:

I am not being misled, i am simply waiting until the launch of 2024, and the reality on Nov 19th. If all is well, then there's no issue, and i'll moving over. If not, i'll be remaining  on 2020 until the more complex airliners are working as they should.

I was referring to the dude who said "none of the MSFS 2020 addons will really work properly in MSFS 2024."

If that's not being misled, I don't know what it is. 

 

And of course, this YouTuber knows he's wrong and that his cra* video doesn't pass the smell test, as he promptly removed my comments criticizing it instead of addressing the criticism. Some can dish it, but can't take it. 😂

Edited October 30, 20241 yr by Abriael

It’s an opinion which the person who created the video is entitled to. You can either agree or disagree. How accurate it is will become evident in the next few weeks.

5 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It’s an opinion which the person who created the video is entitled to. You can either agree or disagree. How accurate it is will become evident in the next few weeks.

No. It's not really an opinion. It's a video presenting statements intentionally out of context (and actively removing any useful context by not crediting the statements and bunching together two entirely different issues) with the obvious intent of misleading and creating a false narrative to clickbait.

A video that had the intent to inform or present an opinion honestly would have credited each statement so that the viewer knows which kind of add-ons each of these developers makes (that is critical context), and would have arranged the statements so that the issue of backward compatibility and the issue of implementing native MSFS 2024 features are discussed separately.

Edited October 30, 20241 yr by Abriael

1 minute ago, Abriael said:

No. It's not really an opinion. It's a video presenting statements intentionally out of context (and actively removing any context by not crediting the statements and bunching together two entirely different issues) with the obvious intent of misleading and clickbaiting. 

No sources probably because NDAs are still in force. It’s not against AvSim rules for the video to be linked to.

6 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

No sources probably because NDAs are still in force. It’s not against AvSim rules for the video to be linked to.

That's not the case. There is no NDA in place for telling your customers your plans for upgrades. 

All of these statements besides the one marked "anonymous" have been made publicly and officially by these developers on their social media pages or discords. The context exists, but the video's author decided to actively omit it, on top of presenting most of the statements only partially, omitting whatever they wanted.

As for AVsim's rules, that's for you to decide. If you're ok with your users discussing over a video that presents an incredibly misleading picture, that's your decision, but IMHO a misleading premise is not really conducive to quality discussion.  

Edited October 30, 20241 yr by Abriael

3 hours ago, pmplayer said:

And so it's actually clear to me that none of the MSFS 2020 addons will really work properly in MSFS 2024, but I already thought that before because since I've been doing flight simulation it's always been more or less like that with a successor of the next Simulator !

I didn't expect anything different...

cheers 😉

Having read a lot of the SDK forum and what a few Devs have been saying, it seems like it's gonna take a bit more work than they originally envisaged. Perhaps none will work straight away, some might, many may actually be fine it's simply unknown at this stage. 

What concerns me are some of the reports in that forum are a bit "common sense" that the SDK team haven't got working, or are bugged and we're only a few short weeks from release now.

They've got a lot of work to do, I think at this stage it's best to simply wait for release and perhaps use the opportunity thereafter to simply play the game in the vanilla form for a week/month or however long it takes for modders to play "catch up".