41 minutes ago, Abriael said:

As for AVsim's rules, that's for you to decide. If you're ok with your users discussing over a video that presents an incredibly misleading picture, that's your decision, but IMHO a misleading premise is not really conducive to quality discussion.

Not for me. I’m just a moderator and your report was not deemed against forum rules. “misleading” is subjective and just your opinion.

17 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Not for me. I’m just a moderator and your report was not deemed against forum rules. “misleading” is subjective and just your opinion.

I'm not sure what part of "removing all context and arbitrary parts from developer statements, including who said what, is misleading" is an "opinion" and not a simple fact based on the most basic rules of reporting, to be entirely honest with you. 

But if that's the moderators' decision, that's fine. 

Edited October 30, 20241 yr by Abriael

3 minutes ago, Abriael said:

But if that's the moderators' decision, that's fine. 

Good. I don’t expect to see any more comments from you on this subject. You’ve made your view perfectly clear.

3 hours ago, Bernard Ducret said:

Not really surprising for whoever has been involved in flight simulation in the past...

And the reason - for me - to hold on 2020 at least six months before jumping ships. By that time dust will have settled, giving the time to most developers to figure the way to adapt their addons to the new simulator, to Asobo to iron out the initial unavoidable bugs, and the various fora to lower the temperature of their debates back to reasonable and cordial exchange of points of view.

For me MSFS 2024 will come in May 2025, the same way that MSFS 2020 joined my PC on April 2021. I am extremely impressed by what Asobo and Microsoft are delivering to us and to see the immense progress this hobby has gone through in the past thirty years, expending vastly its market base at the same time.

I am of the same view.  I'm in no rush to go to MSFS2024 as I enjoy MSFS2020 very much.

I can wait a few months and see how things develop before buying MSFS2024.  The thing that really excites me about MSFS2024 is GA flying - it looks like it will be awesome!

4 hours ago, pmplayer said:

And so it's actually clear to me that none of the MSFS 2020 addons will really work properly in MSFS 2024, but I already thought that before because since I've been doing flight simulation it's always been more or less like that with a successor of the next Simulator !

I didn't expect anything different...

cheers 😉

Figure out that my global add-ons are working *better* in the Dev alpha of 2024 rather than in 2020 😄

So "none" is wrong word 

 

Is indeed true that *several l* add-ons may require work (little or a ton depending to features) from the developer

FSS also gave us an update with regards to bringing their E-Jets to Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024. They said that they are now exploring new features and see how it impacts their overall timeline. They do have access to the new SDK and alpha build, but the aircraft is not performing as expected in the new simulator. They are waiting on whether this is an issue with the plane or the simulator alpha build, but will let the community once they have a better understanding.

https://fselite.net/content/flightsim-studio-updates-e-jets-to-v0-9-33/

I have always expected it will take about 6 months or so for the majority of add-ons to make their way into the new simulator, some with no charge and some with a small upgrade fee. Having been a part of this since FS98, that just seems like a reasonable expectation to me and if things come faster that is great, but that is certainly not my expectation. MSFS2020 will be uninstalled from my machine on the 17th of November and I am looking forward to starting over with a "clean" install of the new sim, trying out the default aircraft, learning the new interface and the new capabilities of the sim and will look forward  to each "new" release as they come.

Interestingly, I was thinking of ordering a new rig, but I still meet the recommended settings and watching the videos of the alpha on low-end machines I have decided now to wait and see if my rig can run it adequately, which will certainly save me some money. Of all the things I appreciate about 2020 -- it is not the visuals -- but how exceptionally stable and how well the sim runs on my machine with no tweaking --  bye, bye all those threads about affinity masks!

The good news is that MSFS 2020 will not somehow stop working on Nov 19! 

As long as you have enough space on your disk (and MSFS 2024 needs FAR less than the ~300Gb that 2020 consumes) nothing stops you from keeping both.

As people have said, I expect that some addons will port over instantly, some will come in a few days, some will take months, and some will never come.

Which is which? We will all find out together.

Ooooh, another dramatic video!

I'll add it to my watch list.......NOT!

3 hours ago, mamu82 said:

Figure out that my global add-ons are working *better* in the Dev alpha of 2024 rather than in 2020 😄

So "none" is wrong word 

Is indeed true that *several l* add-ons may require work (little or a ton depending to features) from the developer

Even better, Microsoft is telling developers to report issues so that they (Microsoft) will fix these issues across all add-ons and ensure that backward compatibility works. Which was obviously part of the point of distributing the sim to developers to begin with. 

It's kind of weird that a developer makes this sound like this is a bad thing. Microsoft is literally telling them that what is affecting their aircraft isn't lack of backward compatibility, it's a bug that will be solved. That's obviously the correct course of action instead of having single developers change stuff individually, and then these aircraft inevitably break again when the bugs are fixed. 

Edited October 30, 20241 yr by Abriael

25 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

Ooooh, another dramatic video!

I'll add it to my watch list.......NOT!

lamao..

For me it's a NEW SIM...

I gave up even thinking about porting ... 

For a start I believe I'll have a lot to play with using the default Standard version aircraft - more than enough for me...

I will calmly wait for any of my 3 main addons to be anounced for 2024... If an upgrade price is asked for, I will seriously reconsider either paying it or wait for new offers, preferably freeware for 2024, because 2024 will simply never be a "main FS" for me... It's a playground to try to play being an airline pilot, so, FBW and anything from other teams who MOD the default airliners will probably do the job...

Edited October 30, 20241 yr by jcomm

How about a demo from some developers showing their actual working airports in MSFS 2024 with the approval of Asobo and or Microsoft? It might settle my uneasiness.

Asobo hasn't demonstrated their new and improved "handcrafted" airports except for Aspen, and KJFK (with minimal views).

Darryl

Edited October 30, 20241 yr by SP2472

19 minutes ago, SP2472 said:

How about a demo from some developers showing their actual working airports in MSFS 2024 with the approval of Asobo and or Microsoft? It might settle my uneasiness.

Asobo hasn't demonstrated their new and improved "handcrafted" airports except for Aspen, and KJFK (with minimal views).

Darryl

There's a livestream about the world on the 6th. 

5 hours ago, Abriael said:

This is literally false. Many developers mention that many of their addons work flawlessly in MSFS2024. How did you get from that reality to "none of the MSFS 2020 addons will really work properly in MSFS 2024" only you know.

Also, nice sensationalist FUD video, not to mention very badly thought out.

Let's start with an anonymous, inflammatory comment from "someone" to set the tone, almost like we should consider some random dude speaking from behind the shield of anonymity as the most trustworthy of the bunch? Assuming they even exist. 

Then let's move on to comments from "developers" without even bothering to mention who said what. These are all publicly available and signed statements, so none of them requires anonymity. Taking and utilizing them in this video without even bothering to credit them not only genericizes their contribution to the issue, as the viewer doesn't know what kinds of add-ons they make, but it's also ethically contemptible. When you cite someone, taking advantage of their comments, you should ALWAYS credit them. It's not rocket science. 

The hilariously bad part is that he bothered to write "anonymous" on the inflammatory anonymous comment, but he did not bother to credit people who aren't anonymous at all. I have trouble finding the words to describe how bad that is. 

And then the big elephant in the room. All these statements are bunched together in way that makes it look like they talke about a singular issue, but they talk about two very separate issues. 

One is simple backward compatibility of add-ons for MSFS working in MSFS2024, which from most accounts seems to be pretty smooth with minor issues that Asobo is working to fix for a large percentage of add-ons.

The other is implementing MSFS2024 native features, which will take much longer, and no one should be surprised, as Asobo warned about that before.

Putting them together without distinction in a big anonymous hot pot creates a massively skewed view of the issue, making this video far from even being serviceable, and quite misleading. 

Whether that's intentional to stir the pot or because the author doesn't know what he's talking about and doesn't have any idea on how to create a decent report without mislead, I don't know. 

Of course, perhaps I expected too much. I shouldn't expect barebones respect of reporting ethics from a video with clickbait like all caps "MIGHT NOT BE SO EASY!" in the very title.

So we will see at release of MSFS 2024 what happens buddy 😊

cheers  😉