9 hours ago, brucewtb said:

 might have CPU that can compete with AMD - at least in games.

But...MSFS isn't a "game"...😐

If you game at 1440p and above, this new 9800x3d doesn't appear to give much uplift over the 7800x3d nor the venerable 5800x3d.

6:10 onward in this video:

https://youtu.be/y-ZfIxa6dhY?si=Mlc_Wo7U-VQO2z7j&t=370

1 hour ago, Greggy_D said:

If you game at 1440p and above, this new 9800x3d doesn't appear to give much uplift over the 7800x3d nor the venerable 5800x3d.

6:10 onward in this video:

https://youtu.be/y-ZfIxa6dhY?si=Mlc_Wo7U-VQO2z7j&t=370

Perhaps not, but I expect those reviewers will run MSFS without addons. Add lots of AI aircraft, a complex airport and the CPU becomes a more important factor.

I know I'm getting ahead of myself.  But has their been any rumors on if the next gen after the 9 series X3D will run on the same MB, or if we will be on a new one?  

1 hour ago, micstatic said:

I know I'm getting ahead of myself.  But has their been any rumors on if the next gen after the 9 series X3D will run on the same MB, or if we will be on a new one?  

According to this website the next cpu series (zen6) will still be released on the current socket, AM5. Another website mentions that AM5 will be supported until at least 2027.

After Mr @AnkH called my old 9900k a potato 🥔

 I decided to upgrade my system and had joined the hoardes and pre-ordered the  9800X3D AM5 Processor.

This also means new Ram , and replacing my Samsung evos with an M2 drive 

What do you think of the following ??

Any suggestions and recommendations would be appreciated.

 

RAM

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0CG11C7PX/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc

M2

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Internal-gaming-editing-MZ-V9P4T0BW/dp/B0CBYZ6DD1/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=3U5LM6UZGG05Z&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.6pcUsdUGOuguw8yY9HRFgmS1mI0JG1T8irBgXFAhdDs2DtEeIUo6xuW87xWcQjUh5AteDzSKjHEepxkzo0epyzpb9oAIxm-YAVIA23Kh0mnmEGvK0BhCbzV8C6CMYymrbKbo4ccaUYCQkDsCOZSL_PYeT1EEM6qeEgW2nBN3GIQ6hs7ryB0QhrO5OV0kIswhOF0bhE8TqyPfw-UvW4-Fyw.CtBZdq56v6UJ-WNFFrayXqgsmd1_ArpYHXMH8eiaJ3E&dib_tag=se&keywords=samsung+ssd+4tb+m.2&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1731220183&sprefix=samsung+ssd+4tb%2Caps%2C292&sr=8-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.d7e5a2de-8759-4da3-993c-d11b6e3d217f

14 hours ago, micstatic said:

I know I'm getting ahead of myself.  But has their been any rumors on if the next gen after the 9 series X3D will run on the same MB, or if we will be on a new one?  

Yeah, as mentioned, current rumor is Zen6 will continue on AM5. However, I wouldn't put all my chips on that yet. These companies have been known to pivot at the last minute based on a lot of factors. Given how lukewarm the reception of the rest of the 9000 non-X3D line-up has been, which also might have caused the launch date of the 9800X3D to be moved up. That had an effect on motherboard sales, 800-series boards getting a bit of a bad rap due to them basically being overpriced rebrands, plus with CUDIMM and other interesting technologies starting to make their appearance, especially given how poorly AM5 handles high-speed memory, you could see a case for going clean slate on a new socket. AM6 for Zen6. 

But hey, all guesswork, we'll see.

Edited November 10, 20241 yr by Sethos

2 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

After Mr @AnkH called my old 9900k a potato 🥔

 I decided to upgrade my system and had joined the hoardes and pre-ordered the  9800X3D AM5 Processor.

This also means new Ram , and replacing my Samsung evos with an M2 drive 

What do you think of the following ??

Any suggestions and recommendations would be appreciated.

 

RAM

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0CG11C7PX/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc

M2

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Internal-gaming-editing-MZ-V9P4T0BW/dp/B0CBYZ6DD1/

The M.2 is excellent, just make sure it's firmware updated given its past issues but I think new stock should have newer revisions from factory already.

As for RAM, The 9800X3D, just like the 7800X3D, is almost completely speed agnostic. Meaning there's little gain between 6000 and 8000MHz. It's more timing sensitive, thus the recommended sweet spot is still 6000MHz CL30, because the higher MHz kits tend to have looser timings and be more expensive.

HUB has memory scaling in their review; https://youtu.be/BcYixjMMHFk?t=1546

So in memory sensitive titles, like the Star Wars slide, you'll see performance go down going from the low timing (bottom) and then moving up, with a small bump at tuned 8000Mhz. Problem is, very few AM5 boards will even boot at 8000Mhz, let alone have enough headroom for you to tighten the timings without causing problems. Though as you see on the slides, the difference is negligible across the board. However, the difference between a good, fine-tuned kit on the 7800X3D and a 'bad' one could actually be closer to 10FPS, so we might see scenarios, especially with further refinement of BIOS updates etc. where RAM might make a bigger difference again.

My personal recommendation is the Corsair 64GB kit; CMK64GX5M2B6000Z30. Lowest EXPO timings of any 6000MHz kit to my knowledge (30-36-36-76) and it'll even go lower, got mine down to 28-36-36-28 at 1.37v.

@SethosI have a very similar build in mind as you, except for the ram (Gskill trident z5) and the GPU.

What made you choose the corsair (I assume the Vengeance kit) over the Gskill?

I might wait until the Nvidia 9000 series are available, or just use my current 3090 for a while which should still get a boost from the better CPU.

Also, what kind of cooling are you contemplating? I have always used air coolers but the Flux Pro case might be better with a 360 or 420 AIO water cooler.

58 minutes ago, Allard said:

@SethosI have a very similar build in mind as you, except for the ram (Gskill trident z5) and the GPU.

What made you choose the corsair (I assume the Vengeance kit) over the Gskill?

I might wait until the Nvidia 9000 series are available, or just use my current 3090 for a while which should still get a boost from the better CPU.

Also, what kind of cooling are you contemplating? I have always used air coolers but the Flux Pro case might be better with a 360 or 420 AIO water cooler.

Well, one is the Corsair kit is low-profile or at least, lower than most of G.Skill's kits with the best timings, so they fit better under the various air coolers and it was easier to get, so that made it a low-hanging fruit. However an important reason is, something I recently found out, G.Skill has made a few blunders when it comes to their cooling of the RAM. They apparently seem to not even apply thermal pads to the integrated power management circuit of the RAM, which isn't great. Some overclockers are even taking the heatsinks off and doing it manually, also noted in multiple Tweaktown reviews;

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10441/skill-trident-z5-rgb-ddr5-7200-48gb-dual-channel-memory-kit/index.html & https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10497/skill-ripjaws-s5-ddr5-6400-32gb-dual-channel-memory-kit/index.html "No PMIC thermal pad"

But for most, think it's probably just a case of getting what's in stock, at the cheapest price.

 

As for cooling, on my 7800X3D I had the AK620 Zero Dark with Noctua fans. For the 9800X3D I'm going with a Phantom Spirit 120 EVO. The chips only have a TDP of 120 watt, an AIO doesn't make much sense, costs a lot more and is more prone to failure I find. So I'd definitely recommend air for these chips specifically.

8 hours ago, Sethos said:

The M.2 is excellent, just make sure it's firmware updated given its past issues but I think new stock should have newer revisions from factory already.

As for RAM, The 9800X3D, just like the 7800X3D, is almost completely speed agnostic. Meaning there's little gain between 6000 and 8000MHz. It's more timing sensitive, thus the recommended sweet spot is still 6000MHz CL30, because the higher MHz kits tend to have looser timings and be more expensive.

HUB has memory scaling in their review; https://youtu.be/BcYixjMMHFk?t=1546

So in memory sensitive titles, like the Star Wars slide, you'll see performance go down going from the low timing (bottom) and then moving up, with a small bump at tuned 8000Mhz. Problem is, very few AM5 boards will even boot at 8000Mhz, let alone have enough headroom for you to tighten the timings without causing problems. Though as you see on the slides, the difference is negligible across the board. However, the difference between a good, fine-tuned kit on the 7800X3D and a 'bad' one could actually be closer to 10FPS, so we might see scenarios, especially with further refinement of BIOS updates etc. where RAM might make a bigger difference again.

My personal recommendation is the Corsair 64GB kit; CMK64GX5M2B6000Z30. Lowest EXPO timings of any 6000MHz kit to my knowledge (30-36-36-76) and it'll even go lower, got mine down to 28-36-36-28 at 1.37v.

Thank you very much 

2 hours ago, Sethos said:

Well, one is the Corsair kit is low-profile or at least, lower than most of G.Skill's kits with the best timings, so they fit better under the various air coolers and it was easier to get, so that made it a low-hanging fruit. However an important reason is, something I recently found out, G.Skill has made a few blunders when it comes to their cooling of the RAM. They apparently seem to not even apply thermal pads to the integrated power management circuit of the RAM, which isn't great. Some overclockers are even taking the heatsinks off and doing it manually, also noted in multiple Tweaktown reviews;

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10441/skill-trident-z5-rgb-ddr5-7200-48gb-dual-channel-memory-kit/index.html & https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10497/skill-ripjaws-s5-ddr5-6400-32gb-dual-channel-memory-kit/index.html "No PMIC thermal pad"

But for most, think it's probably just a case of getting what's in stock, at the cheapest price.

 

As for cooling, on my 7800X3D I had the AK620 Zero Dark with Noctua fans. For the 9800X3D I'm going with a Phantom Spirit 120 EVO. The chips only have a TDP of 120 watt, an AIO doesn't make much sense, costs a lot more and is more prone to failure I find. So I'd definitely recommend air for these chips specifically.

Don't shoot the messenger but I was told 

 

"It's hugely advised with these new Ryzen processors that you have it watercooled. The way they boost frequency depends on temperature so if it's not cooled well it'll never reach it's rated frequency and performance will suffer."

 

"

9 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

Don't shoot the messenger but I was told

"It's hugely advised with these new Ryzen processors that you have it watercooled. The way they boost frequency depends on temperature so if it's not cooled well it'll never reach it's rated frequency and performance will suffer."

I mean, the quote lacks context unless you specify the CPU, as it's not one-size-fits-all. Each chip has a different TDP, different capabilities in terms of overclocking and unlocking, thus have different cooling requirements. The 7800X3D had absolutely no benefit of an AIO / water, with a 120TDP and zero headroom for pushing it due to the 3D cache, an air cooler was more than enough. The 9800X3D, also a 120TDP chip but with some more headroom, albeit still a low TDP chip will also see little benefit in an AIO, unless you really push it.

Though I will flat out disagree that it's hugely advised, even the 9950X is a 170TDP chip out of the box, an air cooler can easily dissipate that comfortably, same story with the Ryzen 9 7000-series chips that had similar TDPs;

https://www.howtogeek.com/dont-bother-liquid-cooling-your-amd-cpu/

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-cooling-requirements-thermal-throttling/

"Our testing in this article shows that the performance losses are minimal, even when pairing the Ryzen 9 7950X flagship with an entry-level cooler that's running at slow fan speed settings. Whether it makes sense to pair a $700 CPU with a $10 cooler is another question, but it opens up interesting possibilities. When you order a new Zen 4 CPU + watercooling, you don't have to wait for the cooler to arrive. You can simply get started with whatever AM4 heatsink you have lying around and you'll be safe and almost get maximum performance."

 

did a fast and dirty test, same settings same os only swap CPU 7800X3D to 9800X3D

Hardware ASUS 670E Hero. 64  Gig CL30 expo, Galax 4090 OC Lab, res 4K

Tested home Airport . ORBX ESSA  , INI EGLL the upplift at "4K" exakt 16% think +20%  is possible with little Tweaking.

Greggy D stop belive  Linus youtube sensation vids ,

Edit. OC it to 5.6ghz stabilty testing it now all ok need more time but its promosign , when tested in MSFS at EGLL and ESSA the uplift is 27% yes!!!

This CPU is a Monster its fun to play with,

Edited November 11, 20241 yr by westman

22 hours ago, westman said:

did a fast and dirty test, same settings same os only swap CPU 7800X3D to 9800X3D

Hardware ASUS 670E Hero. 64  Gig CL30 expo, Galax 4090 OC Lab, res 4K

Tested home Airport . ORBX ESSA  , INI EGLL the upplift at "4K" exakt 16% think +20%  is possible with little Tweaking.

Greggy D stop belive  Linus youtube sensation vids ,

Edit. OC it to 5.6ghz stabilty testing it now all ok need more time but its promosign , when tested in MSFS at EGLL and ESSA the uplift is 27% yes!!!

This CPU is a Monster its fun to play with,

thanks im super excited about getting mine (its stuck in customs)  whar cooler do you use please ?