Well im stumped as nothing comes up in event viewer that has anything suspicious with any codes.

 

I will revert yo previous nvidia driver also and see.

Mike

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by mikeymike

If anyone remembers, when the servers went bonkers after 2024 was released, many got CTDs. When the servers were fixed, that went away. Don't believe that your PC suddenly went bad and then fixed itself. They are still screwing with the servers, which is affecting some users.

Do MSFS2020 and 2024 share the same server(s)? If so that might explain instability for 2020 users.

20 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

If anyone remembers, when the servers went bonkers after 2024 was released, many got CTDs. When the servers were fixed, that went away. Don't believe that your PC suddenly went bad and then fixed itself. They are still screwing with the servers, which is affecting some users.

Mine went to word not allowed after that micro update  we had for msfs 2020. A few days ago.

1 hour ago, Sethos said:

There is in no way, shape or form that an update would cause your PC to shut down. That is a problem with your PC being unstable in some form or another. 

You should really go check the official forums.  There were hundreds of users myself included getting repeated CTD's and yes, some getting shut-downs most likely because they don't have their PC's set to minidump so instead of an error message or BSOD they reboot and yes, it was  because of the MS servers.  It happened Sunday and they resolved it on their end and magically everyone's CTD's and reboots stopped.  Now they are back.  So yes, they can cause a CTD from their side same thing the latest 24 update has done to some users with career mode.  

There were hundreds of posts and thousands of views within a few hours of it starting and it was resolved for EVERYONE by MS changing something on their side. Hmmm... 

 

14 minutes ago, psolk said:

You should really go check the official forums.  There were hundreds of users myself included getting repeated CTD's and yes, some getting shut-downs most likely because they don't have their PC's set to minidump so instead of an error message or BSOD they reboot and yes, it was  because of the MS servers.  It happened Sunday and they resolved it on their end and magically everyone's CTD's and reboots stopped.  Now they are back.  So yes, they can cause a CTD from their side same thing the latest 24 update has done to some users with career mode.  

There were hundreds of posts and thousands of views within a few hours of it starting and it was resolved for EVERYONE by MS changing something on their side. Hmmm... 

 

Yeah, I've been reading the forums and Discord and no, that is a wild overstatement. Yes, CTDs were widely reported and that's not the point I was talking about. People actually having their PCs shut down which is what I'm talking about, I didn't see any of that and no, a piece of software itself will never do that unless the very hardware is unstable in some fashion. In rare edge cases could I see a soft reboot due to a BSOD, due to a bad interaction with a driver or something (again, usually not the software's fault specifically, just a weird interaction) but with no reported BSODs because everyone having turned dumps off, for some reason? Far fetched. 

Reminds me of the Gigabyte 3080/3090 debacle with New World. Everyone blamed New World for killing their GPUs and, like everything else, it just turned out to be a hardware defect that a GPU intensive game exposed. That's not the game's fault. 

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by Sethos

4 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Yeah, I've been reading the forums and Discord and no, that is a wild overstatement. Yes, CTDs were widely reported and that's not the point I was talking about. People actually having their PCs shut down which is what I'm talking about, I didn't see any of that and no, a piece of software itself will never do that unless the very hardware is unstable in some fashion. In rare edge cases could I see a soft reboot due to a BSOD, due to a bad interaction with a driver or something (again, usually not the software's fault specifically, just a weird interaction) but with no reported BSODs because everyone having turned dumps off, for some reason? Far fetched. 

I would have thought it was near impossible for them to cause a CTD from their end but they proved me wrong on Sunday.  If someone had dumps turned off they will reboot.  Yes, there were reports of CTDS, Blue screens and some reporting their PC's shutting down/restarting during the MS 2020 "outage" this week and magically everyone's CTD's, BSOD's, reboots resolved when they resolved the issue.

There are hundreds of people reporting the last 24 patch is causing CTD's if they already have a company in career mode.

I honestly did not think that whatever they are messing with on their end could actually cause a CTD, BSOD or soft reboot but when you repeat it 10 times in a row you start to believe...  

 

11 minutes ago, psolk said:

I would have thought it was near impossible for them to cause a CTD from their end but they proved me wrong on Sunday.  If someone had dumps turned off they will reboot.  Yes, there were reports of CTDS, Blue screens and some reporting their PC's shutting down/restarting during the MS 2020 "outage" this week and magically everyone's CTD's, BSOD's, reboots resolved when they resolved the issue.

There are hundreds of people reporting the last 24 patch is causing CTD's if they already have a company in career mode.

I honestly did not think that whatever they are messing with on their end could actually cause a CTD, BSOD or soft reboot but when you repeat it 10 times in a row you start to believe...  

Think we'll just agree to disagree because I have simply not seen that, at all. Saw absolutely no one talk about BSODs or their computers shutting down in numbers that would attribute them to the server. The fact that a server outage in a game would cause that directly, is the most absurd thing I've ever heard of in my 25+ years working with IT. If that actually happened in relevant numbers, that would be all over the news, all over Reddit, you'd have every relevant YouTuber make a video about it because that would be a big deal, because it would be completely unprecedented and have people up in arms. I think that part is being blown up a bit for dramatic effect now.

I don't disagree with basic CTDs happening, hundreds of reports on that and can easily be attributed to servers.

 

 

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by Sethos

7 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Think we'll just agree to disagree because I have simply not seen that, at all. Saw absolutely no one talk about BSODs or their computers shutting down in numbers that would attribute them to the server. The fact that a server outage in a game would cause that directly, is the most absurd thing I've ever heard of in my 25+ years working with IT. If that actually happened in relevant numbers, that would be all over the news, all over Reddit, you'd have every relevant YouTuber make a video about it because that would be a big deal, because it would be completely unprecedented and have people up in arms. I think that part is being blown up a bit for dramatic effect now.

I don't disagree with basic CTDs happening, hundreds of reports on that and can easily be attributed to servers.

 

 

Well in my 32 years of IT I have seen stranger so making empirical statements is something I tend to shy away from so yes, we will agree to disagree.  

2 minutes ago, psolk said:

 so making empirical statements is something I tend to shy away from 

You just make normative statements instead, so that's not really adding much either. Good day to you. 

And now back to the topic, are others still CTD'ing this am?  

Just had same behavior as Sunday.  Installation manager hung, then an offline message at the same screen, get to the main screen but no marketplace and then CTD...  Never even had a chance to select anything... 

Sunday was my first ever CTD and it looks like it started again last night.  

Not even an acknowledgment on the official forums.  Maybe it is more isolated than the other day.  

I flew on 2020 on Sunday for a little over 3 hours and had nothing but smooth the entire time.  Maybe I got lucky but 2020 is working fine for me.

55 minutes ago, jspilot said:

I flew on 2020 on Sunday for a little over 3 hours and had nothing but smooth the entire time.  Maybe I got lucky but 2020 is working fine for me.

That makes two of us, flew all afternoon into the night without a single glitch, smooth and stable.

Wow, I'm amazed that a server issue, delivering data across the internet could cause the sim to crash. I've learnt something today! In addition, as Ray asked earlier... does 2024 share the same servers as 2020?

4 minutes ago, Rocky_53 said:

Wow, I'm amazed that a server issue, delivering data across the internet could cause the sim to crash. I've learnt something today! In addition, as Ray asked earlier... does 2024 share the same servers as 2020?

No one actually knows, MS has not said anything but the chances they are sharing "servers" meaning 2020 and 2024 data on the same piece of virtual compute is very low.  More likely is that they are all shards in a shared server farm in which case they "could" be sharing routing as well as ingress/egress. 

No one really knows their server architecture and similar to you, I was baffled they could so easily cause a CTD on my machine from their side...  Just shows how reliant on the cloud even 2020 is with it's "offline" mode.  

Not sure what they are changing on the 2020 side to cause these issues while yesterday's update has caused multiple CTD's for people on '24.  So whatever they are doing they are doing their best to spread the love 😉  

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by psolk