1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

On a certain current battlefield we can't talk about here, one side has resorted to using drones with an attached control cable so it can't be jammed.  This is a primitive solution to the advanced electronic jamming the other side is using, but it works. \

I'm not entirely certain how electronic jamming works and what size area can be saturated with jamming signals, but if I send a swarm of 50 stealth drones towards a target from multiple directions, maybe the jamming can only take out half of them and the rest get through.

I think that drones should have a big role in modern warfare.

 

Yep, re that current battlefield, cable attached is short range. And the drones themselves, not the sort of technology that would replace the role of an F35. As per my comments directed at Mathew.

The way i recall jamming works is to transmit a strong signal on the same frequency as the drones control signal. That would be over a wide enough area to impact a swarm, I would think.  

I think drones have a huge part top play in future warfare too. I just don't think Mathews super cheap, unsophisticated, relatively primitive drones could make the F35 obsolete, as he said. 

On 12/10/2024 at 9:49 AM, martin-w said:

 

Yep, re that current battlefield, cable attached is short range. And the drones themselves, not the sort of technology that would replace the role of an F35. As per my comments directed at Mathew.

The way i recall jamming works is to transmit a strong signal on the same frequency as the drones control signal. That would be over a wide enough area to impact a swarm, I would think.  

I think drones have a huge part top play in future warfare too. I just don't think Mathews super cheap, unsophisticated, relatively primitive drones could make the F35 obsolete, as he said. 

You put enough noise out there over a wide range of Frequencies so that the 'receiver' (drone, missile, etc.) can't disseminate the frequencies necessary for its operation, so it goes 'dumb'.

Kinda like the old R/C Car races where someone's using the same Tx/Rx Crystals as another Racer, and gums his Controller up. Happened to me once, and my nice expensive 4WD buggy went full throttle right through the plywood barrier shedding all 4 wheels upon exiting through the other side of the barrier.

Besides, there are other factors at play that'll affect "Fat Amy" more than the proliferation of Drone technology... 🙄

On 12/5/2024 at 4:50 PM, hs118 said:

He needs to stick with what he knows: burning up electric cars 😉

 

I don't know Elon personally, so it is impossible to have an opinion on him or any other, other than what I know from second hand.

But, do keep in mind that Elon Musk started out co-founding Paypal (in finance).  He didn't know anything about cars or rocket science.

And look at the EV and the space industries now.

It's the same thing with Steve Jobs. Jobs didn't know anything about movies. And look what he did with Pixar among other things.

I finally got around to watching the video.  I think it's a case of making way too much stew out of way too few oysters.

The "idiots" Musk was calling out weren't the scientists, engineers and technicians, but the politicians.

Is Musk right?  I have no idea.  But love him or hate him, he's no fool.

Hook

9 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

I don't know Elon personally, so it is impossible to have an opinion on him or any other, other than what I know from second hand.

But, do keep in mind that Elon Musk started out co-founding Paypal (in finance).  He didn't know anything about cars or rocket science.

And look at the EV and the space industries now.

It's the same thing with Steve Jobs. Jobs didn't know anything about movies. And look what he did with Pixar among other things.

Wow thanks for the insight! It gives me hope that maybe even he can learn to be a father instead just knowing how to "father" if you know what I mean. 😉

I think some people criticize Elon Musk because 1)they're jealous of his intellect and wealth, and/or 2)they don't like his politics.

No one can argue that he is a highly successful and talented person.

Dave

i think most people who simp for leon would be very surprised to learn how little he cares about them.

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43 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

I think some people criticize Elon Musk because 1)they're jealous of his intellect and wealth, and/or 2)they don't like his politics.

No one can argue that he is a highly successful and talented person.

Dave

Of course they can. He was born rich. He's not a self-made man.

He illegally immigrated to the United States on a student visa, but signed up for no classes and instead started working.

He founded a company called X.com that was later bought by another company and the merged entities were named PayPal. He started as an exec with PayPal as part of the merger, but was quickly fired by the board for incompetence.

But he still owned shares in the company and when eBay bought it, he made a pile.

He didn't invent Tesla. He invested $6.4 million to become majority shareholder and then was only listed as a co-founder as the result of a lawsuit, not because he actually did it. And when Tesla stock went up, he made a pile.

He founded SpaceX and named himself its chief engineer, but he didn't design any of the rockets. He hired actual Aero-E's to do that.

He hasn't *done* anything. He's just tossed money at things. Throw enough money at something and it will probably take off. He's as rich as he is because he started rich and then got lucky stock breaks.

When you then combine it with some of the stuff he's said - not even talking about political issues which are bad enough but, seriously, when kids were trapped in a cave, Musk ran around bragging about how he was gonna send a special gadget to rescue them. Meanwhile an actual cave-rescue professional went in and rescued them. Musk's reaction was not to be happy that the kids wouldn't die, instead he called their rescuer a "pedo." 

Further evidence of stupidity, he's making expensive electric cars. Who buys expensive electric cars? Rich liberals. Who's he busy doing everything he can to infuriate? Liberals. The man's driving off his own customer base, and we're supposed to think he's a genius!?

The man's a nut, stupid, and a genuinely terrible person. Jealousy plays no role in that evaluation.

 

But you are right about one thing - his politics suck.

 

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24 minutes ago, eslader said:

The man's a nut, stupid, and a genuinely terrible person. Jealousy plays no role in that evaluation.

Wow!  Musk must have really gotten into your head for you to know so much about him.

I don't know much about Musk personally, only what I see in things like Tesla and SpaceX, and those are quite impressive.

I'm curious why you are so bitter about another man's success?  Do you think it is wrong for an individual to be so wealthy?  If so, then why not call out numerous other billionaires who claim to be on the other side of the political spectrum?

Dave

 

 

2 hours ago, hs118 said:

Wow thanks for the insight! It gives me hope that maybe even he can learn to be a father instead just knowing how to "father" if you know what I mean. 😉

I get the sarcasm?  But I know what you mean. He named one of his kids a name no one can remember. He name the kid "X Æ A-12" pronounced 'X Ash A Twelve. "X" stands for the unknown variable, "Æ" is pronounced "Ash" and represents artificial intelligence or love, and "A-12" refers to the Archangel 12, a precursor to the SR-71 Blackbird aircraft

I think the kid eventually ended up as 'X'?  He (the kid) I guess got confused. And now he (the kid) is a she (he changed his sex). 

One thing for sure, Mr. Musk has a sense of humor. One of the landing pads for one of his rockets was
"OCISLY" (Of Course I Still Love You). Another one was called "JRTI" (Just Read The Instructions).

His reason for fathering a lot of kids?  He has a t-shirt that say "Occupy Mars".

54 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

His reason for fathering a lot of kids?  He has a t-shirt that say "Occupy Mars".

from what ive read from his older children, they might wish leon "godspeed" off this planet but likely will not be going with him. 

The true measure of one's Character reveals itself when Tragedy strikes. We shall see E-llon either step up to the plate or try to throw everyone under the bus attempting to avoid blame.

4 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Wow!  Musk must have really gotten into your head for you to know so much about him.

No, I'm just kind of a fan of knowing what I'm talking about before spouting off about it.

4 hours ago, dave2013 said:

I don't know much about Musk personally

So then I trust you will explain why your opinion on the matter is relevant given this tidbit?

4 hours ago, dave2013 said:

I'm curious why you are so bitter about another man's success? 

Who said I was bitter? I don't envy his money. I have plenty of money for a very comfortable lifestyle and an equally comfortable, and probably early, retirement. I'm fine. I don't need billions. No one does.

I've learned enough about the man to know he's a despicable human. As you have admitted you haven't learned "much" about him, you will have to defer to those of us who have until you correct your informational inadequacies.

4 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Do you think it is wrong for an individual to be so wealthy? 

Yes.

4 hours ago, dave2013 said:

If so, then why not call out numerous other billionaires who claim to be on the other side of the political spectrum?

Because this thread is about Musk. If it were about some other billionaire, I would be equally happy to say they shouldn't be billionaires either regardless of whether or not they were decent people.

Extreme concentration of wealth leads to events like the Great Depression if we're lucky. If we're not so lucky, it leads to events like the French Revolution and people start dying in the streets.  And it leads to events like that because of the abuses which inevitably happen when a few elites have most of the power and resources and everyone else has to kowtow to them or starve. I'm not a fan of economic destruction or revolutions or civil wars, which means I'm not a fan of the factors that cause them.

10 hours ago, eslader said:

11 hours ago, dave2013 said:

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Of course they can. He was born rich. He's not a self-made man.

He illegally immigrated to the United States on a student visa, but signed up for no classes and instead started working.

 

Not true. The family diamond mine thing was just something his father claimed.

After leaving university he was $150,000 In debt. He couldn't even afford a new computer for his first company.

He has two bachelors degrees. One in physics, one in economics. 

As for Tesla, the company was nothing when he joined and devoid of funding. It was Musk that went out and got the funding. Tesla are now more valuable than all car companies combined.

In terms of SpaceX they were one rocket launch away from bankruptcy, luckily, that Falcon launch was successful and the company has grown into the biggest launch provider on the planet.

You go on to say "expensive electric cars, who buys electric cars". Seems you are behind the times. The Model Y is now below the average price in the US. Or you could pick up an MG for a very reasoble price.

When it comes to PaPal, incompetence was claimed, whether that was true or not we dont know. Musk had grandiose plans that were regarded as too ambitious. Again, whether they were too ambitious, we don't know.

There's much about Musk I don't like, but by the same token it does shock me how these myths propagate.

There's stuff we can criticise him for, we don't have to make stuff up. 

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5 hours ago, eslader said:

don't need billions. No one does.

 

I think we need to consider, in what form those billions are. In Musk's case, he is regarded as the wealthiest man on the planet because others value his very successful companies so highly.

If those companies (that employ thousands) fail, his billions are gone. I don't think any of us know how much he has that's not tied to the value of his companies.