It looks like some panel change can be done but I want to confirm. Does the PMS50 work with the Learjet?

Also, to what extent can changes be made to the main panel. For example, there's that rather ugly blank bezel on the lower most left side of the main panel. Can something be  installed or cover up in that area?

Edited February 16, 20251 yr by Matt Sdeel

You can definitely pick the PMS GTN750 or the GTNXi as well, you do need to pick it when choosing your livery, similar to their 414, can't swap it on the fly but every livery is duplicated with the avionics of choice.

As to the blank bezel I'm not sure if I understand your problem, hard from your screenshot but when looking at the panel as a whole it's clear that each of the panels, left, bottom and the main one on top are not flush by design, left one sticks out a bit because it slants inwards, bottom one is slanted upwards, clearly done so the switches face towards you and it is after all an old plane so not exactly laser cut panels I guess. I don't have an issue with that at all but it's a matter of taste and opinion I guess.  There is a black cockpit option as well you can get from flightsim.to, not sure if that would resolve your problem though, I still prefer the grey and the vintage feel it has.  

The plane itself is a joy to fly though, I like it a a lot but I do have a soft sport for vintage non glass cockpits.  It never got much attention this one for some reason, but I'm certainly not disappointed for having picked it up.

https://flightsim.to/file/67528/flysimware-learjet-35a-modern-black-and-white-interior

 

 

36 minutes ago, stefaandk said:

You can definitely pick the PMS GTN750 or the GTNXi as well, you do need to pick it when choosing your livery, similar to their 414, can't swap it on the fly but every livery is duplicated with the avionics of choice.

As to the blank bezel I'm not sure if I understand your problem, hard from your screenshot but when looking at the panel as a whole it's clear that each of the panels, left, bottom and the main one on top are not flush by design, left one sticks out a bit because it slants inwards, bottom one is slanted upwards, clearly done so the switches face towards you and it is after all an old plane so not exactly laser cut panels I guess. I don't have an issue with that at all but it's a matter of taste and opinion I guess.  There is a black cockpit option as well you can get from flightsim.to, not sure if that would resolve your problem though, I still prefer the grey and the vintage feel it has.  

The plane itself is a joy to fly though, I like it a a lot but I do have a soft sport for vintage non glass cockpits.  It never got much attention this one for some reason, but I'm certainly not disappointed for having picked it up.

https://flightsim.to/file/67528/flysimware-learjet-35a-modern-black-and-white-interior

 

 

Thank you. The grey panel is ok. I like vintage instruments too. The flushing does not bother me. It's that missing dial that bugs me. Are there panels for the Flysimware version where that area does not have the missing dial (see below)?  

I've seen lots of pictures of Learjets which have full instrumentation eg. pinterest learjet panel - Search Images

 

 

I see, couldn't say what would be missing there, those pictures have a lot of different panel configs in their own right, none that I could see is a perfect match either even for the other dials, so you could question as to why something is missing here but as none of those panels are a one to one in any of the pictures either, who knows what would have been there, your guess is as good as mine.

To me having a cover for a dial there is not bothering me, hell I would not even have noticed until you pointed it out.  

As far as I'm concerned system depth is up there with this one and I certainly don't see any instrumentation that is missing so maybe whatever existed there only existed in certain models, no longer having a dial there imo is not an indicator of a missing functionally, maybe whatever existed there at some stage is now made redundant by other instruments.  The only people able to answer this question would be a irl Learjet pilot or the Dev team maybe.

 

 

https://www.cockpitposters.co.uk/product/10-bombardier-learjet-35-cockpit-poster/

16 hours ago, stefaandk said:

 The only people able to answer this question would be a irl Learjet pilot or the Dev team maybe.

The development team includes a Learjet pilot, so I would assume that his panel is based on a real world airplane.

2 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

The development team includes a Learjet pilot, so I would assume that his panel is based on a real world airplane.

It probably is and that would be their likely explanation for the missing instrument. That is, it is based on their real world plane which does not have that instrument too. However, if they only have one variation of their panel because that is what they have in the real world, for consistency; one would wonder why they have different variations externally for their real world plane eg. different liveries. I doubt that they also own the new medevac and cargo expansion. Maybe they do? Anyway, hopefully, they can do something to that blank cover. It just doesn't look "right" the way it is now.

14 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

https://www.cockpitposters.co.uk/product/10-bombardier-learjet-35-cockpit-poster/

Very nice.

Clearly a case of different positioning.  the 'missing' dial showing in the sim is a DME unit in the image, both the sim and image cockpit have this one top left of the FO's artificial horizon but in the sim the second exists below the captain's VSI while in the image the "Radio Alt dial" is below the captain's VSI instead, in the sim that one is to the bottom right of the FO's VSI instead.

The image then has a TAS / SAT TAT indicator which the sim does not have but I guess those would be covered anyway by other instruments, another total hours and a green and yellow annunciator which I can't identify.  

But as mentioned I don't see the missing dial as problem myself nor does it look wrong to me, I've seen many cockpits where covers are placed into the panel for instruments that are redundant or combined with others.  If anything it adds to its vintage authenticity where the plane may have had some avionics upgrades over the years.  

But hey beauty is in the eye of the beholder 🙂

 

22 hours ago, stefaandk said:

 

But hey beauty is in the eye of the beholder 🙂

 

Totally. And since there are many customers (and eyes) it just logical to have more than one variation on whatever it is one is trying to sell.

On 2/16/2025 at 2:32 AM, sloppysmusic said:

https://www.cockpitposters.co.uk/product/10-bombardier-learjet-35-cockpit-poster/

Would love to see the sim have the option for that double GTN layout, that would have to be a retrofit as well, no way that was around in the 80's lol.  Would be nice on this Learjet though similar to their 414, having both is such a convenience.

2 hours ago, stefaandk said:

Would love to see the sim have the option for that double GTN layout, that would have to be a retrofit as well, no way that was around in the 80's lol.  Would be nice on this Learjet though similar to their 414, having both is such a convenience.

Absolutely, unfortunately even though their P3D version had that, and it has been requested since day one, FSW show no inclination to offer it as an option.

 

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On 2/17/2025 at 9:15 PM, Gazzareth said:

Absolutely, unfortunately even though their P3D version had that, and it has been requested since day one, FSW show no inclination to offer it as an option.

 

G

Makes one think this is just a side hustle and the dev doesn't care about the sale aspect of his or her hobby.

Dual GTN now available - 

 

Learjet 35A V1.7.4
5-5-2025
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Updates:
1. New custom GPWS system for realism.
2. Emergency battery bus draw was updated for accuracy.
3. The main battery's and emergency battery now cutoff the electrical system at 16 volts.
4. The standby attitude gyro is now tied to the main bus and emergency bus.
5. The tablet option page has been updated with a new avionics category section. Some options also got moved into another categorys.
6. The autopilot Mach mode has new logic. First click turns on IAS mode. After that it toggles between IAS and MACH. To disable press the ENG mode off or VS or ALT mode.
7. Added a new reading light cirucit.

Bugs:
1. The pilot RMI and pilot HSI had a recent update and some of the flags back lighting was assigned to the wrong bus. Fixed.
2. The directional Gyros bus failures was assigned to the wrong bus. Fixed.
3. The no smoking and seatbelt audio was playing with no electrical. This is now tied to a new reading light circuit.
4. Using the TDS GTN750 and you are in an active gps nav mode then changed to heading mode the aircraft will pitch slightly or sometimes a lot which is a bug and is now fixed.

New feature:
1. The Lear now has dual GPS units. The 530 comes with a 430 and the 750 comes with a 650.

The GPWS annunciator light will illuminate when:
A. Below 1000ft AGL and descent VS is more than 1500ft/min
B. Landing: Below 500ft AGL,  IAS is below 190kts, and either the gear is not down or flaps less than 40 deg, and descent VS is more than 100ft/min.
C. Takeoff : Below 1500ft AGL, N1 of either eng is above 85%, and you have a sink rate VS of more than 500ft/min.
Note: Either pilot is doing an ILS, or GPS approach with vertical guidance, below 1000ft, and plane is more than 1/2 GS/GP scale low. Both GPWS lights come on regardless of which pilot is flying so pilot monitoring is aware.