May 15, 20251 yr 54 minutes ago, lwt1971 said: Agree with most of what you said, except for the one bit about 2020 remaining platform of choice making it a more uphill climb for 2024. I think it's the reverse effect, and 2020 being the platform of choice for a majority currently (i.e. ~50% MSFS 2020, ~25% MSFS 2024, ~12% XP12, etc per Navigraph survey) is purely a consequence of 2024's state and stability. As 2024 increases in stability then those 2020 users are naturally going to transition and the length of time to get to that state (be it after SU2 or SU3 etc) is not going to necessarily impact the eventual uptake of 2024, IMO. If 2024 wasn't a superset of 2020 features/capabilities wise then ya things could be different, but assuming enough of the bugs are squashed and issues fixes by SU<xxx>, then at that point 2024 is basically a superset of 2020 right. Yes. And don't forget that the "majority" have actually purchased/tried v2024 but haven't migrated due to the ongoing (tho lessening) incompatibilities. There is, despite some folks sentiment, a high interest in v2024. IOW, the adoption of v2024 is, IMHO, already more rapid than many believe, AND will only accelerate as each simmers comfort threshold is met.
May 15, 20251 yr 5 hours ago, lwt1971 said: Ignoring all the predictable concern-trolling and worst case assumptions rampant here about MS/Asobo's plans for 2020, always best to look at what MS/Asobo have actually said thru official channels... Re: SU16 for 2020 and when the next set of fixes and enhancements will come, they covered this in the March 2025 dev Q&A at this timestamp: https://youtu.be/vaMcWJhRAAE?list=PLHHNa7e7hf9MqQB-RV6bxHYiLcTQkgGfi&t=555 As they've clearly said, multiple times, 2020 will be supported for at least a few more years if not more, and it will continue to get fixes/updates along with even backports of certain new features in 2024. Currently SU16 for 2020 is in development (i.e. updating to new GDK for memory use optimization, etc). Given how stable 2020 currently is, it certainly makes sense they are focusing on 2024 *currently* given its state at release. So focusing on 2024's SU1 and SU2 is the prudent decision. 2020 SU16 being delayed does not mean 2020 is abandoned 🙂 And as Rimshot and many others pointed out (who're able to read/hear and understand what MS/Asobo have clearly said), MS/Asobo never promised that they'll be churning out new functionality/features/etc for free forever. They were talking about commitment to the MSFS *platform* and how they're in it for the long haul. Once again, good to hear directly from the source (in these interviews just after 2024's announcement they get asked about all this including the "10 year commitment" statement, 2020's future, etc): https://www.helisimmer.com/interview/msfs-2024-helicopters-future-msfs-2020 https://msfsaddons.com/2023/06/25/exclusive-interview-with-jorg-neumann-and-sebastian-wloch-we-are-in-the-pursuit-of-the-perfect-sim/ Here have the Award for most consistently supercilious poster On the board ...You're welcome
May 15, 20251 yr 13 minutes ago, Rusty Spanner said: Here have the Award for most consistently supercilious poster On the board Yawn Len 1980s: Sublogic FS II on C64 ---> 1990s: Flight Unlimited I/II, MSFS 95/98 ---> 2000s/2010s: FS/X, P3D, XP ---> 2020+: MSFS Current system: i9 13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB DDR5 4800 RAM, 4TB NVMe SSD
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