Large ball of light passes over two airliners.

 

 

UFO is Unidentified Flying Object which doesn’t mean extraterrestrial, but somehow these people being interviewed as eye witnesses create a connection to extraterrestrials (alien fleet).

As much as I would love real extraterrestrial life to visit Earth and be living with us humans (anyone see Resident Alien on Prime?) … the fundamental question that no one really wants to address is:

1.  The technology required to travel faster than light and/or “worm holes that exist in theory only” in order to reach a planet with sentient life (ok, we are probably more like earth worms to life this advanced) would ensure such life forms were long ago capable of not being seen or identified.

2.  Technology this advanced wouldn’t need to fly around our atmosphere to “observe” and/or gather data about us, their ability to get this far in the first place would ensure they have the necessary technology to remotely gather all the data they need without have to fly in our atmosphere.

I do believe extraterrestrial life exists in this time frame, impossible for other life not to exist.  If such an advanced civilization were able to reach us in this time frame, I think their objective would be a bit more ambivalent … they would simply be able to generically modify us in real-time to suit their needs.  There would be no war and we probably would have no recollection of it happening.

5 hours ago, SayAgain said:

2.  Technology this advanced wouldn’t need to fly around our atmosphere to “observe” and/or gather data about us, their ability to get this far in the first place would ensure they have the necessary technology to remotely gather all the data they need without have to fly in our atmosphere.

Reality is anyone out there advanced enough to send anything towards us is likely just sending probes, for the same reason that 99% of anything we have sent into outer space has been unmanned, and anything we have sent past our orbit has been 100% unmanned. The better we get at propulsion the more we will send probes further to explore, as would anyone else.

And some point we might begin to rule in or out the postulated answers to questions by using the results that tests are repeatedly telling us.

It's now been 103 years since organized searches on Earth for extraterrestrial life began. Search tools have grown very much more powerful during those decades. All these almost countless experiments so far are negative. Such life has not been found.

Also negative are the experiments to search for the answer about whether gravity always points inward toward the Earth's center (e.g. by jumping off roofs without using any aides). Other directions than down toward the ground have not been demonstrated. Over the centuries, searches for the edges of a potential flat Earth have also proven unfruitful. No edges found so far.

Personally I believe the evidence the test results tell us from these experiments.

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19 hours ago, Matthew Kane said:

Reality is anyone out there advanced enough to send anything towards us is likely just sending probes

For that to be useful the probe would need to travel faster than light and more importantly would need to be able to transmit data back faster than light.  The closest exoplanet with a chance of life is 4.24 light years away (which would be an incredible stroke of luck that an advanced civilization exists so “close” and within our time fragment).

Getting data from 4.24 years ago if operating on known physics of data transmission (aka speed of light) … this would seem logically unrealistic for any life forms to want to employ this approach of investigation (it would be too human like).  8.5 years to get data back using the parameters of human-based physics/knowledge … impractical.

I would assume (more speculation), an advanced life form that has moved beyond the limitations of human knowledge (faster than light travel and communications) would be capable of making sure they aren’t discovered IF they don’t want to be discovered.

BUT, maybe these are probes capable of navigation thru worm-holes (theoretically possible but never observed).  Quantum communications wouldn’t be any better as it’s not faster than light.  I still feel that if other life forms did have this technology, then creating the tech to be “invisible” to human limitations would be employed also … why appear then disappear if they don’t want to be identified?

Communication across interstellar distances could conceivably be done using quantum entanglement.  Einstein's "spooky action at a distance."  Flip a bit here, and a corresponding bit instantly flips on the other end at another star without regard to the speed of light.

Not that I understand it, mind you, but that's what I've been told.

I envision this as a "hula hoop" in the next higher dimension, that intersects 3D space at two points.  Both "entangled" points are part of the same structure, connected through a higher dimension, so what affects one instantly affects the other.

If that doesn't make sense, consult Mr. A. Square of Flatland.

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5 hours ago, SayAgain said:

BUT, maybe these are probes capable of navigation thru worm-holes (theoretically possible but never observed).  Quantum communications wouldn’t be any better as it’s not faster than light.  I still feel that if other life forms did have this technology, then creating the tech to be “invisible” to human limitations would be employed also … why appear then disappear if they don’t want to be identified?

If we knew we would already be there, but there are other factors, it wouldn't be impractical to think a more advanced society has a lifespan well beyond ours, maybe a couple of centuries or more??? For a team to be sending out probes to nearby solar systems there job would be to send them out knowing that they won't be alive to receive the data, that would be the job of a future generation. This sort of thinking doesn't work on our current society most of our long term planning is based on a 4 year term, or for us an election cycle 🤣

If a society is constantly sending out probes on one way missions it would get to the point a future generation will be really busy going through all that data that eventually comes back. The probes of course when finished can be sent into the sun to destroy their existence, and they are designed to not be detected or retrieved by another society. All these things make more sense to me then manned missions

For me sending someone to Mars is also ridiculous when we are currently developing AI, Robots and Drones on a scale never seen before, those are what you send to Mars not people (as we already have been doing). Machines don't have physical or mental health issues and are getting far more advanced to do the job, but we will send people as impractical as that is because our arrogance dictates that is the objective

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3 hours ago, Matthew Kane said:

For me sending someone to Mars is also ridiculous

If I wanted to explore New Zealand, I could watch the Lord of the Rings trilogy, or I could get on a plane and fly there.

Or from Real Life (tm).  Actually walking through Neuschwanstein castle was NOT the same as looking at pictures and videos.  Or "sending a probe".  

Visiting the Grand Canyon in person is a much different experience than anything you'll get from any virtual experience.  Now imagine valles marineris. 😄 

Yeah, sending probes might be a more practical solution at first, but at some point I'd want to see it in person. 

Maybe I'm just old fashioned. 😄 

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6 minutes ago, LHookins said:

If I wanted to explore New Zealand, I could watch the Lord of the Rings trilogy, or I could get on a plane and fly there.

Or from Real Life (tm).  Actually walking through Neuschwanstein castle was NOT the same as looking at pictures and videos.  Or "sending a probe".  

Visiting the Grand Canyon in person is a much different experience than anything you'll get from any virtual experience.  Now imagine valles marineris. 😄 

Yeah, sending probes might be a more practical solution at first, but at some point I'd want to see it in person. 

Maybe I'm just old fashioned. 😄 

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The difference between experiencing New Zealand and Mars is, Mars is not habitable in the first place, no life exists there

Come to New Zealand I would buy you a beer, go to Mars and every moment of your existence there is a fight for your survival, that is why it is better for machines to explore they don't require oxygen, and we have plenty of oxygen, and water, and beer, and food in New Zealand don't worry about it. 😁👍

24 minutes ago, Matthew Kane said:

Come to New Zealand I would buy you a beer, go to Mars and every moment of your existence there is a fight for your survival

I figure if people can live and work in Antarctica, they can do it on Mars.  🙂 

When I was young, I really wanted to visit Mars.  Never got the chance. 

I think New Zealand would be pretty cool, too.   

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Edited July 30, 2025Jul 30 by LHookins

4 minutes ago, LHookins said:

I figure if people can live and work in Antarctica, they can do it on Mars.  🙂 

When I was young, I really wanted to visit Mars.  Never got the chance. 

I think New Zealand would be pretty cool, too.   

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You can breathe, drink and eat from the resources available in Antarctica, in fact the air, water and food is far better in Antarctica, non of that is on Mars you have to bring air, water and food with you.

The issue of Mars is it is not economically viable in the first place, you can’t mine it and bring resources back, all you can do is learn from it, but you don't have to be there to learn from it, AI Robots and Drones can do that job better and already have been doing that so far.

The only reason to send a person there is just to claim you can do it, beyond that there is no benefit of having someone there. Like I said in the first place the driver of that is arrogance. As long as my tax dollars are not paying for it send someone, matters not to me.

We didn't go back to the moon either because it was never economically viable, but we did go there just to say we could do it

4 hours ago, Matthew Kane said:

For me sending someone to Mars is also ridiculous when we are currently developing AI, Robots and Drones on a scale never seen before, those are what you send to Mars not people (as we already have been doing).

Can’t debate that on a practical level (at least for humans) … but on an emotional level I would love to physically go to Mars or the moons around Saturn or Jupiter.

 

12 minutes ago, LHookins said:

they can do it on Mars

Not quite there yet on the technology side to be entirely self-sufficient on products/foods/supplies we bring to Mars, but I’m sure we’ll get there eventually.  Antarctica is easier, got water … that’s a significant checklist item for sustaining human life.

12 minutes ago, Matthew Kane said:

The only reason to send a person there is just to claim you can do it

Well, yeah... 😄
 

8 minutes ago, SayAgain said:

on an emotional level I would love to physically go to Mars or the moons around Saturn or Jupiter.

See?  This guy understands! 😄

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