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What is Wrong with The Cockpit View for my Fenix A321?

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Not sure how to describe this better than with pictures. Here is a cockpit view for my A320:

 

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Here is the cockpit view for my A321. Do you see the difference? For example, look at the knobs; see how they are "longer"? What do I change to give the same "perspective" as I have with the A320? Thanks. 

 

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Looks like your FOV needs adjusting (it's aircraft specific). All explained here:

 

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Like he said, the zoom level needs adjusting, to be appropriate for your screen position and dimensions. Easy enough to fix with ChasePlane, otherwise use Developer Mode and some settings there.

Petraeus

 

Yes, but surely the FOV should be exactly the same for the A320 and A321 in his simulator, particularly as both aircraft are from the same developer? :huh:

Edited by Christopher Low

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47 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Yes, but surely the FOV should be exactly the same for the A320 and A321 in his simulator, particularly as both aircraft are from the same developer? :huh:

On my end the FOVs are the same between the A320, A319 and A321.

But in that picture, he 100% has a very low zoom level (with associated fish eye lens effect going on), compared to the A320 pic, which looks correct.

 

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4 hours ago, Petraeus said:

Like he said, the zoom level needs adjusting, to be appropriate for your screen position and dimensions. Easy enough to fix with ChasePlane, otherwise use Developer Mode and some settings there.

I do use Chase plane so maybe somehow that caused it? Because it actually maybe a new problem since I installed Chase Plane. How do i use Chase plane to fix? 

Ah, I assumed that he would have been using the same zoom level for each aircraft.

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5 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Ah, I assumed that he would have been using the same zoom level for each aircraft.

That is what is odd.... I NEVER have touched the zoom level on any AC.... I would have to research just to determine how 🙂 

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Really struggling with this. My setting are exactly the same for both the A320 and the A321 but the view is not the same. As JYW said above, for some reason there is a "fisheye" aspect for the A321. 

 

Any thoughts appreciated. 

7 hours ago, lehbird said:

Any thoughts appreciated. 

Presuming you've checked the FOV is set the same in both the A320 and A321, can you use the cockpit camera controls to adjust the view in the A321 to match the A320? You can save it as the default view with CTRL+F10

If you can't, I'm stumped!

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BeyondATC • GSX Pro • ChasePlane & Flow Pro • TDS GTNXi • FSUIPC • AutoFPS • RealTurb

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3 hours ago, flyingscampi said:

Presuming you've checked the FOV is set the same in both the A320 and A321, can you use the cockpit camera controls to adjust the view in the A321 to match the A320? You can save it as the default view with CTRL+F10

If you can't, I'm stumped!

Thanks, but like I said, it is kind of a "fisheye lens" thing I can't get rid of. The clearest example of the issue seems to be that all the knobs seem "elongated". No matter how I move the camera, no change. and my FOV is set to 50 for both AC.

2 minutes ago, lehbird said:

Thanks, but like I said, it is kind of a "fisheye lens" thing I can't get rid of.

Bonkers!

The next thing I'd try is to uninstall the Fenix (all of them), move the contents of the Community folder to a temporary folder, and re-install the Fenix. Test the A321 again before restoring the contents of the Community folder (except for any Fenix folders left behind from the old install).

FS2024 • PMDG 738, 77F • FSL A321 • A2A Comanche, Aerostar • BS Baron, Bonanza, Caravan Pro • JF Tomahawk • TAOG H500C
BeyondATC • GSX Pro • ChasePlane & Flow Pro • TDS GTNXi • FSUIPC • AutoFPS • RealTurb

9800X3D B650E • ROG OC RTX 5090 • 64GB DDR5-6000 • VKB Gladiator, STECS, T-Rudder • Tobii 5 • ISP 1 Gbps

3 hours ago, lehbird said:

Thanks, but like I said, it is kind of a "fisheye lens" thing I can't get rid of. The clearest example of the issue seems to be that all the knobs seem "elongated". No matter how I move the camera, no change. and my FOV is set to 50 for both AC.

If you sat in the real Airbus and held up the frame of your monitor at the same distance as your setup at home, what you see through that frame is what you should be seeing at home in the sim if you want the view to be realistic.  Currently your view is zoomed out, so distance, size and speed are distorted - which is why you are seeing long cockpit controls 🙂

In the real cockpit, you are viewing the world using the wide field of view of your eyes, so you are using your peripheral vision to see more of the cockpit. In the sim at home, you don't have the luxury of peripheral vision, because you are viewing the world through the frame of your monitor. You can deal with this lack of peripheral vision in the sim in two ways.

  • Set an unrealistically wide field of view as you have.  This will simulate your eyes peripheral vison but will lead to distance, size and speed in the sim to be distorted - as you have found.
  • Set a realistic FOV as described below, and use products like TrackIR or Tobii Eyetracker to move your eyes (monitor frame) around the cockpit to get over the lack of peripheral vision.

Here is how to set a realistic FOV.

1.  Use the Modern FOV calculator to find what your FOV should be (Thanks to @Ohmsquare for the original explanation). 

  • Use the controls on the left to match your monitor - if your monitor is curved, be sure to set that correctly.
  • On the right, you will see a vFov figure - for me that is 33 degrees.
  • Now divide that figure by 57.3 to get a RADIANS value - MSFS displays FOV as radians!  in my case it is 33 divided by 57.3 equals 0.57.

Modern_FOV_Calculator.png

 

2. MSFS Setup

  • Now open MSFS and choose your pilot view in ChasePlane.
  • Go to Settings/Advanced Options in MSFS and turn on Developer Mode
  • You will now see the developer menu along the top of the screen - Turn on 'Camera Blend' under the Aircraft/Debug menu

Camera_Blend_Menu.png

 

  • Your screen will now have an overlay showing lots of information - we are interested in the Fov figure.

MSFS_Camera_Blend_Overlay.png

  • Open your ChasePlane/Pilot view settings.
  • Adjust the zoom control in ChasePlane until the 'Camera Infos Fov setting matches what you found in step 1. For me that is 0.57

Adjusting_Chaseplane.png

 

You now have your MSFS FOV set exactly how you would see the FOV in the real aircraft (minus the peripheral vision your eyes would see) - remember, we are viewing the world through your monitor frame, not eyes as in the real world. 🙂

Speed, distance and sizes will now match what you would see in the real aircraft.  You will need to adjust your seating position in ChasePlane to get the view just how you want it.  Think about it - if you wanted to see the same peripheral vision your eyes would see in the real aircraft, your monitor would need to be the width and height of the real cockpit 🙂

Your view is now realistic, but narrower, and that is why products like TrackIR are so valuable because it is possible to just move your head to scroll your view in sim.  TrackIR, or similar, is a great compromise to get over the loss of peripheral vision.

 

 

 

Edited by MrBitstFlyer

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1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

If you sat in the real Airbus and held up the frame of your monitor at the same distance as your setup at home, what you see through that frame is what you should be seeing at home in the sim if you want the view to be realistic.  Currently your view is zoomed out, so distance, size and speed are distorted - which is why you are seeing long cockpit controls 🙂

In the real cockpit, you are viewing the world using the wide field of view of your eyes, so you are using your peripheral vision to see more of the cockpit. In the sim at home, you don't have the luxury of peripheral vision, because you are viewing the world through the frame of your monitor. You can deal with this lack of peripheral vision in the sim in two ways.

  • Set an unrealistically wide field of view as you have.  This will simulate your eyes peripheral vison but will lead to distance, size and speed in the sim to be distorted - as you have found.
  • Set a realistic FOV as described below, and use products like TrackIR or Tobii Eyetracker to move your eyes (monitor frame) around the cockpit to get over the lack of peripheral vision.

Here is how to set a realistic FOV.

1.  Use the Modern FOV calculator to find what your FOV should be (Thanks to @Ohmsquare for the original explanation). 

  • Use the controls on the left to match your monitor - if your monitor is curved, be sure to set that correctly.
  • On the right, you will see a vFov figure - for me that is 33 degrees.
  • Now divide that figure by 57.3 to get a RADIANS value - MSFS displays FOV as radians!  in my case it is 33 divided by 57.3 equals 0.57.

Modern_FOV_Calculator.png

 

2. MSFS Setup

  • Now open MSFS and choose your pilot view in ChasePlane.
  • Go to Settings/Advanced Options in MSFS and turn on Developer Mode
  • You will now see the developer menu along the top of the screen - Turn on 'Camera Blend' under the Aircraft/Debug menu

Camera_Blend_Menu.png

 

  • Your screen will now have an overlay showing lots of information - we are interested in the Fov figure.

MSFS_Camera_Blend_Overlay.png

  • Open your ChasePlane/Pilot view settings.
  • Adjust the zoom control in ChasePlane until the 'Camera Infos Fov setting matches what you found in step 1. For me that is 0.57

Adjusting_Chaseplane.png

 

You now have your MSFS FOV set exactly how you would see the FOV in the real aircraft (minus the peripheral vision your eyes would see) - remember, we are viewing the world through your monitor frame, not eyes as in the real world. 🙂

Speed, distance and sizes will now match what you would see in the real aircraft.  You will need to adjust your seating position in ChasePlane to get the view just how you want it.  Think about it - if you wanted to see the same peripheral vision your eyes would see in the real aircraft, your monitor would need to be the width and height of the real cockpit 🙂

Your view is now realistic, but narrower, and that is why products like TrackIR are so valuable because it is possible to just move your head to scroll your view in sim.  TrackIR, or similar, is a great compromise to get over the loss of peripheral vision.

 

 

 

Thank you for the VERY detailed response, but I really just want one thing.... My A321 to look exactly like my A320. (Which is exactly the view I like)

1 hour ago, lehbird said:

Thank you for the VERY detailed response, but I really just want one thing.... My A321 to look exactly like my A320. (Which is exactly the view I like)

Follow the guide and they will look exactly the same!

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