Triple7

I'm not sure where you get that figure from? At my airport on a gin clear day using the ILS we land around about 40-46 depending on the vortex (wake turbulence) mix. In fact in LVPs with 6 mile spacing we land 24 - 20 is a rediculously low number. So in your example the planes would land 12, 1201.5, 1203 - exactly the same as the US system. Also CFMU isn't down to the minute anyway - the slot itself has a tollerance of -5/+10. In the situation above the flights would only get a slot if for the period the flights were due to arrive more were planned than the airfield had applied flow for. I.e. say Heathrow had flowed at 40, during the period your 3 flights were due to arrive another 30 were planned meaning that in total 33 were planned during that hour - no slot would be applied at all. All 3 could arrive at Heathrow at 1200 and identically to the US system the flights would get vectored/speed controllered to achieve 12, 01.5 and 03.

It's impossible to do a like for like view between the US and Europe when it comes to delay management. The US is one big agency with a plethora of airspace, Europe is made of tens of ANSPs all with minute airspace in comparision. I guess having the worlds busiest single and duel runway airports we must be doing something bordering on efficient .

In normal operations we work to the wake turbulance minima so generally down to 3nm (medium followed by medium or anything bigger). If there is a bit of a headwind and the weather allows it we reduce this to 2.5 mile spacing. With the catchup from 4 miles it's not unusual for the first to be touching down and the 2nd within 2 miles from touchdown. I believe our stats average out to 1 go-around a day over the course of the year. Obviously you may go 4/5 days with non and then on a bad weather day have 4 or 5 in a row.

Experience: A controller at one of the EU airports mentioned quite a lot throughout this thread. I don't have any problems with R/T congestion not clearing aircraft to land until the one ahead has vacated, any controller should be able to control their frequency. I cleared plenty of aircraft today to land in the circa 100/200ft area and every single one of them landed without any issue - even the American carriers! I like the fact that the default fallback option is to go-around, there is no ambiguity - you don't have a clearance to land, go-around - period. We can use a form of anticipated separation in the form of a "land after", however the important aspect is that it is not a clearance. If we're going to enter a 'mines bigger, busier, more complex, prettier, smells nicer, etc contest'; Heathrow is closed 2330-0600 therefore we plan at around 75 planes an hour and depending on whether it's busy/quiet hour that can go 60/90 - I think the record still stands at 102. That's all from 2 runways - I've got no idea how many places like Atlanta use, however it's not just the amount of planes or concrete the complexity of the airspace, availablity of diverging tracks, etc all make a difference. I think most people who work in ATC don't particularly care how many planes somewhere else shifts - it's all about doing your job as safely, ordely and expeditiously as possible. My only real concern is that anticipated separation works on the fact that the crews do as instructed and expected, which isn't always the case. That said I am sure if I'd trained the otherside of the pond I could easily do a hazard analysis and come up with a multitude of reasons as to why anticipated separation is better.

Hello Luke, You've maybe heard me talking to planes from a big building based on Slough Intl ;). Fortunately this allows me to get any plan which routes through European airspace.

Tonights KLAX-OMDB (FPL-UAE216-IS -B77L/H-SGIJPRWXYZ/SD -KLAX2345 -N0487F290 SEBBY7 DAG DCT BLD J60 BCE/N0482F310 DCT KU51Q DCT KD60U DCT KD78A DCT KP06G DCT DLH J533 YQT/N0480F330 DCT DUSMA DCT MCKEE DCT LAKES/M083F330 DCT 59N060W 62N050W/M083F350 63N040W 63N030W 63N020W 62N010W DCT GUNPA/N0482F350 P610 ZOL/N0482F370 L621 ROE N983 ELPOL N195 SORIX L621 XIMBA M860 ROLKA/K0883F370 UM860 INROG/N0472F370 UM860 KIV/K0867F370 UM860 KUGOS/N0471F370 UM860 CRM/N0474F390 UM688 NINVA/N0480F390 UM688 SIDAD/N0479F390 UP975 SESRA M677 RABAP UM677 UMAMA UP559 VUXOR Y505 DESDI -OMDB1552 OMAA -EET/KZLA0009 KZLC0053 KZDV0111 KZMP0213 CZWG0308 CZUL0403 CZQX0646 BIRD0653 ENOR0900 EKDK0942 ESAA0959 EPWW1014 UKLV1107 LUUU1129 UKOV1149 UKFV1201 LTAA1226 ORBB1333 OKAC1438 OBBB1449 OMAE1522 REG/A6EWH SEL/EPAB RALT/CYWG CYHZ BIKF DAT/SV DOF/120507 RMK/NRP ADSB TCAS 7.0 NRP HAR NAV/RNAV1 RNAV5 RNP4 RNP10 RNVD1E2A1)

Hello,In the UK we classify the 757 as an upper medium, along with the following types - B707, DC8, IL62 and VC10.There is no increase in departure separations, although quite a few airlines/crew require 2 minutes behind rather than the official minimum of 1 minute. Arrival separation is increased, generally by a mile, for anything in the groups below (lower medium, small and light).All 737s are lower mediums. You can get some interesting catch-up with a 738/9 following something like a A319 though!

Hello,A -700 on it's way this time:(FPL-KLM7453-IX-B737/M-SDFGIJPRWXY/S-KBFI2100-N0432F370 IWACK J503 YDC DCT 51N115W/N0440F390 5230N11000W 57N100W/N0425F390 60N090W/N0448F410 62N080W DCT NALDI DCT 65N060W/M075F410 66N050W 66N040W 65N030W DCT GIMLI DCT KEF DCT ALDAN DCT 6213N01500W DCT RATSU UP61 DEVBI/N0437F410 UP61 BAMRA UP60 FORTY UL7 PELET UL74 TOPPA-EHAM0942 EHRD-EET/KZSE0007 CZVR0016 CZEG0450 CZWG0113 CZUL0337 BIRD0457 EGPX0753 EGTT0911 EHAA0926 REG/PHBGQ OPR/KLM DAT/V DOF/110622 RVR/200 RMK/TCAS EQPD NO HF)

Hi,We had a 'full house' at Heathrow yesterday - should of got a picture!301 - SIA 303 - QFA305 - UAE307 - QFA

Hi,(FPL-BAW265-IS-B763/H-SPRWXYZ/S-EGLL1500-N0439F280 CPT UL9 KENET UN14 BAKUR DCT RESNO/M078F340 NATB STEAM/N0443F340 N224E TAFFY DCT ALB/N0441F340 J6 SAX/N0368F200 J6 LRP DELRO2-KIAD0731 KCLT-EET/EGTT0017 EISN0033 EGGX0130 CZQX0239 CZUL0452 CZQM0532 KZBW0546 KZNY0652 KZDC0722 OPR/BAW NAV/RNVD1E99A1 RNP10 RALT/EINN CYHZ RMK/TCAS LAHSO NOT AUTHORISED RVR/075 REG/GBNWR SEL/EKMQCheers

BAW198M081F340 APANO G208 PARTY/N0476F340 G208 KE B210 NH/N0472F340 B466 SERKA/N0473F350 B466 PAROD/N0471F350 B466 CHARN/N0471F360 G792 MSD G775 ORPAB/K0887F390 G775 ASB A87 TIROM/K0882S1160 A87 UP A102 NALEM/K0867F380 UA83 TAGAN/K0820F340 UL980 USTIL/N0471F400 UL980 RKN UL480 GORLO UL980 LOGANJAI118N0492F330 APANO/N0489F340 DCT SASRO G208 KE B210 NH B466 SERKA/N0478F310 B466 ELEKO/N0481F350 B466 CHARN/N0477F340 G792 GIRUN/N0475F350 G792 BODKA/N0473F360 UN92 LUSAL UN319 ADEKI UL850 BANUT A277 GAMAN UN191 USTIL UL980 LDZ/N0473F380 UL980 RKN UL480 GORLO UL980 LOGANVIR351N0470F290 DOTIP DCT APANO/N0480F320 G208 KE B210 NH B466 SERKA/N0460F310 B466 CHARN/N0460F340 G792 GIRUN/N0460F350 B447 KRS B143 METKA/N0460F360 UN43 BUMAR/K0850S1060 B494 KZ B450 TESMI B494 OLGIN/N0460F360 UM991 DOTEL/N0460F380 UM991 NM UN191 USTIL UL980 RKN UL480 GORLO UL980 LOGAN

Hi,Today's:KLM1791 - EHAM/EDDMN0447F330 ARNEM UL603 KOMOT/N0446F390 UL603 TESGA UZ729 BOMBI T104 BURAMthenKLM1792 - EDDM/EHAMN0446F400 MIQ Y102 ALIBU UL604 BIGGE T281 HMM/N0419F280 T281 NORKUthenKLM1281 - EHAM/EGPHN0454F360 BERGI L602 AMGOD UL602 RIKUD/N0403F260 UL602 NATEB/N0390F240 L602 HAVENthenKLM1282 - EGPH/EHAMN0383F230 TLA L602 NATEB/N0457F390 UL602 OTR UL90 DOLAS UL603 DIBAL L603 LAMSOCheers

Hello,AFR401 - SCEL/LFPGN0500F310 ESLAR4 TBN UM529 ASIMO UM799 SIBOX/N0496F330 UM799 LAR UW3 CAT UM799 NADIR/M084F350 DCT 00N043W 05N040W 1140N03642W 15N035W DCT ERNEK/M084F370 DCT 23N030W 31N025W 35N020W DCT GUNTI/N0480F370 DCT XERES/N0482F380 UM420 STG UN741 NTS/N0472F280 UN741 KEPER UT182 ROMLO

Hello It's actually AFR406 - LFPG/SCELN0481F310 LGL UN872 ERIGA UN741 SNT/M084F310 UN741 NELSO/M084F320 UN741 ROSTA/N0499F320 UN741 NORED/M084F320 UN741 EDUMO/M084F320 UN741 GAMBA/M084F330 UN741 KENOX/M084F340 UN741 SAGRO/M084F350 UN741 DIKEB/M084F360 UN741 JOBER/M084F360 UN741 FLZ UW43 IMBUD/M084F360 UW43 FRONT/N0492F360 UW43 BRS UB688 FRESH/N0486F380 UB688 URP UB695 VAS UR554 SIS UA307 DOZ UA306 UMKAL NAVAR5 This hasn't being filed yet - i'll have another look later.CheersTriple7

Hello,Further to Derek's response:TAP391 - EGLL/LPMAN0452F390 SAM UN621 MARUK UM195 LORKU UN866 STG UN741 LIDROTAP390 - LPMA/EGLLN0444F380 SNT UN741 STG UN866 QPR/N0454F390 UN472 REVTU/N0452F380 UP87 DOMUTCheers

Hi,N0466F330 TOBAK N858 ERSIL UN858 LAVAR/K0873F330 UN858 RATIN/K0876S1010 G723 GAPSA/K0872S1110 G723 ANDAT G713 LITUN A819 KUMOD A310 SERNA M520 POLHO/K0860S1190 B339 LADIX A326 DONVO G597 AGAVO/N0465F390 Y64 GONAV/N0464F390 Y64 ENKAS G597 LANAT Y51 CHILY Y511 CHESS

Hello,KLM433 - EHAM/OIIEN0476F350 ARNEM UL603 OBEDI UN739 GOTAR/N0481F370 UY570 TEGRI UL605 BULEN UP975 EZS UT36 ALRAM G208 UMH UL124 ZAJ R661 RUS RUS2AKLM873 - EHAM/VOHSN0490F310 ARNEM UL620 BIRKA UZ21 OMELO UL620 BADOR/N0490F330 UL620 CND UL851 ADINA/K0893F330 UL851 KUGOS/N0483F330 UT33 CRM UT34 SRT UR21 KABAN/N0488F330 R784 NOLDO UP975 SIDAD/N0487F350 UP975 LONOS/N0488F350 UP975 GASSI UP559 LOTIT A791 SHR P307 VAXIM L301 NOBAT M638 EXOLU/N0508F310 M638 BBB W28 GGB OSEMA4(The returns aren't filed at the moment)-----Could somebody also enter some A332 KLM flightplans?KLM618 - KDTW/EHAMN0477F370 PISTN DCT HEMIS J94 ECK DCT YXI DCT BAREE N141B REDBY/M081F370 NATU 58N030W/M081F390 NATU SUNOT/M081F390 NATU OSBOX UP6 MIMKU/N0458F390 UP6 REMSI UL603 LAMSOKLM682 - CYVR/EHAMN0476F330 YVR J486 JANEK J487 LYTON DCT LONRO DCT YZU/N0467F350 J527 YMM NCAD RIDOK/M083F350 NCAD DARUB DCT 67N050W 67N040W/M083F370 67N030W 66N020W 63N010W DCT GONUT/N0470F370 UM125 SUM UL7 VENAS UL74 TOPPAKLM543 - EHAM/HSSSN0467F350 ARNEM UL603 TEBRO UZ738 RIDSU UL607 ALGOI UN606 BZO UZ906 CHI UL612 ANC UL982 PES/N0466F370 UL982 ERIKA UZ910 CDC UM620 TISAL/N0461F390 UM620 BONAR/N0464F390 M620 BNA/N0467F370 R2 DITAR/N0468F370 R2 ATMUL/N0468F390 UR611D ALPOX A727 GAILY GLY1KLM21 - EHAM/KATLN0485F320 GORLO UL980 LAM UL179 CPT UL9 DIKAS/N0479F340 UL180 LESLU UN514 DINIM/M084F340 NATC COLOR/N0481F380 N86B TUSKY DCT BOS J77 BWZ/N0480F400 J77 PTW J48 MOL WHINZ1KLM451 - EHAM/OMAAN0486F350 ARNEM UL603 KFT/N0488F370 UL603 VAL UN131 BELGI/N0478F370 UT38 KETEK/N0477F390 UT38 VESAR UL620 BALMA UR655 CAK J222 BASEM R785 ZELAF UR785 TRF R23 NEVOL UN318 LOXAT B457 ADVKLM651 - EHAM/KIADN0476F360 GORLO UL980 LAM UL179 CPT UL9 DIKAS UL180 LESLU UN514 DINIM/M084F370 NATC COLOR/N0480F400 N86B TUSKY DCT BOS J77 SAX J6 PARKE/N0421F200 J6 LRP HYPER2KLM577 - EHAM/DNAAN0460F330 LOPIK UN852 MOROK/N0466F370 UN852 DIVKO UM989 BALEN UR978 KAMER/N0464F370 UV508 BOD UR978 ATAFA/N0470F370 UR978 ERKEL/N0469F390 UR978 AS UA604 KAN/N0473F380 UR778 KUKLM439 - EHAM/OEDFN0487F330 ARNEM UL603 TESGA/N0487F350 UL603 KFT/N0489F370 UL603 VAL UN131 BELGI/N0478F370 UT38 VESAR UL620 ALSUS/N0480F390 UL620 BALMA UR655 CAK J222 BASEM R785 ZELAF UR785 TRF R23 NEVOL UN318 KUSAR R219 KFAKLM617 - EHAM/KDTWN0487F320 GORLO UL980 LAM UL179 CPT UL9 STU UL175 CRK UN523 DOLIP/N0484F340 UN523 LIMRI/M084F340 NATB YYT/N0486F360 N102B MIILS/N0493F380 DCT YMX J546 YSO J597 YQO V464 SPICA SPICA2KLM409 - EHAM/UAAAN0485F370 ARNEM UL620 SUVOX UZ713 OSN UL980 DLE UZ717 PODUS UL619 ALUKA UL29 GRU UN858 BILDI/K0886F390 UN858 LAVAR UR245 ASKIL/K0878S1110 B102 UK R11 FV G3 QL B365 BK B923 GUTAN A368 URL/K0852S1210 G3 AKB A113 NT B142 TIPSA

TOM670 - TBPB/EGCCN0464F350 BGI DCT 18N056W/M080F350 27N050W 39N040W 46N030W/M080F370 51N020W DCT LIMRI/N0450F370 UN537 BURAK UN536 DUB UL975 LYNAS/N0372F190

AFR997 - FAJS/LFPGN0491F280 VASUR UZ21 ITROL UQ25 RUDAS/N0477F260 UM731 UTRAN/N0495F300 UM731 ETLON/N0490F320 UM731 EXIGO/N0484F340 UM731 ERNEV/N0478F360 UM731 DIR UG727 DEKIL UM731 NAFUS/N0471F380 UM731 FARES/N0470F380 UM731 TUC UM733 GIPNO UT26 LOGNI UN854 DJL

Hello,TOM669 - EGCC/TBPBN0462F240 WAL L10 PENIL/N0464F300 UL70 BAGSO UV14 SHA UN517 GIPER/M078F300 UL175 SOMAX/M078F300 DCT 48N020W/M078F340 43N030W 37N040W 27N050W/M078F360 18N056W/N0465F360 DCT BGIThe return isn't filed yet..

Todays,N0483F350 DVR L9 KONAN UL607 AMASI/N0482F370 UM149 BOMBI UL984 RASPU UZ660 ROKEM UZ650 NARKA UL140 REBLA UL620 CND UL851 ADINA/K0888F370 UL851 KUGOS/N0481F370 UT33 CRM UT34 SRT UR21 KABAN/N0484F370 R784 NOLDO UP975 SIDAD/N0480F370 UP975 LONOS/N0481F370 UP975 GASSI UP559 VUXOR Y505 DESDI

Hi,KLM672 - CYUL/EHAMN0480F350 CYUL6 UFX DCT BAREE N115B DOTTY/M082F350 NATU DOGAL/N0480F350 NATU BABAN/N0480F370 UN544 DEVOL UL975 WAL UM16 DOLAS UL603 LAMSOKLM758 - MPTO/EHAMN0490F330 AGUJA UA319 BOLAR/N0485F350 UA319 PALAS UW14 POBIN UB891 PISOS/M082F350 DCT POKEG B891 MACKI M596 SIFEN DCT 32N055W/M082F370 36N050W 42N040W/M082F390 45N030W 47N020W 48N015W DCT OMOKO UN486 GUNSO UM197 GAPLI/N0469F390 UN20 SAM UR8 MID UM185 CLN UL620 REDFAKLM765 - TNCA/EHAMN0490F330 ABA UG885 BEXER UG431 BOSCO/M082F330 UG431 SCAPA G431 DDP DCT SIFEN/M082F350 DCT 37N050W 40N045W 42N040W 45N030W 47N020W DCT OMOKO/M082F370 UN486 GUNSO UM197 GAPLI/N0468F370 UN20 SAM UR8 MID UM185 CLN UL620 REDFAKLM434 - OIIE/EHAMN0474F340 PAXID2G PAXID B121 DASDA/K0879F340 B121 MAGRI UN77 TUNIS/N0471F340 UN77 BANUT/K0871F340 B147 TISOM UM406 OTPOL/K0867F360 UM406 ASKUT/N0468F360 UM406 ASTUP/N0466F380 UM406 KARIL UL624 LABUK UY444 ELMEK UL602 SODRO UZ606 LUGAX/N0478F280 UZ606 NORKUKLM605 - EHAM/KSFON0460F180 BERGI L602 SUPUR/N0474F320 UP1 ROLUM UP13 ASKAM UL7 FORTY/N0481F340 UL7 SUM UH71 LIRKI/M082F340 DCT 63N010W 65N020W 67N030W 68N040W 68N050W DCT DARUB/M082F360 DCT 6630N07000W 65N080W DCT KENPU DCT YEK/N0470F380 DCT YYL J540 MLP DCT LKV J3 RBL GOLDN5KLM735 - EHAM/TNCCN0480F300 GORLO UL980 LAM UL179 CPT UL9 DIKAS/N0479F320 UP4 EVRIN UL607 CRK UN523 LIMRI/M082F320 DCT 51N020W 46N030W/M082F340 42N036W 39N040W/M082F360 31N050W/M082F350 26N055W/M082F360 DCT RKDIA/M082F380 A516 MILOK/N0476F380 UA516 LUCASThat's them all today.Cheers

Hi,Sorry for the delay:UAE215: OMDB/KLAXN0492F310 DARAX A419 TAVNO/N0490F320 W32 ANK UL125 RADAL T212 NSR R794 ULDUS UN39 MEKAN/K0892S0960 R120 ST A928 FE CORR7 QO DCT WT/K0882S1060 DCT LEDNI DCT VINLI DCT BP/K0888S1010 DCT KN CORR10 NE G476 TIVAR/K0859S0860 G476 ULWC/K0884S0960 G476 NOVRO/K0876S1060 G476 PILAN/K0870S0960 G476 PELOR/K0883S1060 A74 VANOS/N0477F360 UP65 SDA DCT MAGIR DCT BJO/N0477F350 DCT 80N000E/M083F360 82N020W 82N040W 82N050W 81N070W 78N090W 74N100W/M083F320 DCT YCB DCT GABRO/N0449F320 DCT YSM/N0449F320 J486 CALLY/N0467F380 J486 YEG/N0468F390 J510 YYC/N0469F380 J537 ONEAL/N0470F400 J537 REO/N0474F390 DCT LLC DCT FRA DCT EHF V23 GMN V299 FIM SADDE6

Hello,Sorry for the delay.These are todays:EZY6819: EGAA/LKPRN0456F390 LISBO DCT IOM UL10 PENIL UL70 DESIG UL603 ARNEM UL620 BESIP L620 LISBA T620 LALUKEZY6820: LKPR/EGAAN0448F400 DONAD UL602 NALAX UL46 REMSI UP6 BESOP P6 BEL

Hello,UAE12: EGKK/OMDBN0481F350 DVR UL9 KONAN UL607 AMASI UM149 BOMBI UL984 RASPU UZ660 ROKEM UZ650 IVOLI/N0473F370 UZ650 NARKA UL140 TOMET UL624 LUNEK/N0471F390 UL624 ADINA/K0874F390 UL851 KUGOS/N0472F390 UT33 CRM UT34 SRT UR21 KABAN/N0477F410 R784 NOLDO UP975 SIDAD/N0476F410 R784 PEBAT G666 DESDI EET/EGTT0011 EBUR0014 EDVV0034 EDUU0035 LKAA0101 LZBB0122 LHCC0132 LRBB0145 UKFV0234 LTAA0255 ORBB0357 OKAC0501 OIIX0509 OMAE0545SEL/HMDR____________________UAE9: OMDB/EGKKN0474F360 RANBI N571 BALUS UL768 IMTAS/N0468F360 V919 MIDSI/N0468F370 T202 DASDO/N0470F380 UL223 UMH UL124 BONAM UG81 VAN UL851 MUCAN/N0464F400 UL851 KUGOS/K0858F400 UL851 ADINA/N0462F400 UL851 SUBES UL610 BATTY UL608 DENUT UL610 KOPUL EET/OBBB0023 OIIX0035 LTAA0219 UKFV0332 LRBB0355 LHCC0457 LOVV0525 EDUU0546 EDVV0627 EBUR0631 EHAA0646 EGTT0654SEL/BPAS