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Thanks for the update Robert. Hopefully this will stop the never ending posts.BTW: How's the baby? Born yet, or still on his/her way?EDIT: Thanks for all your hard work and patience.

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Robert, thanks for this post, but just to be sure I understood it correctly:The MD11 will have two versions, one for FS9, one for FSX and I will have to decide which one to get if I want to buy it?The current NG series will stay limited to FS9, but there will be a completely new NG product for FSX (which will have to be bought separately)?I would ask if this means a new 747 product which needs to be bought or if there will be a free patch somewhere down the line, but you already said you can't give details on that... :)Hopefully this is not asking for any specific details, I just want to make sure I understood what you said correctly. :)Regards,Robert

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>The MD11 will have two versions, one for FS9, one for FSX and>I will have to decide which one to get if I want to buy it?We don't know yet. Depends on a bunch of things right now.>The current NG series will stay limited to FS9, but there will>be a completely new NG product for FSX (which will have to be>bought separately)?Correct.

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Alright, thanks for the clarification, Ryan. :)Regards,Robert

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What I found most interesting is the 5 months to get in ready for FSX in re: 744. That speaks volumes as to how long any of our addons from any dev will take be it scenery or aircraft to get it ready for FSX. So if a dev (not saying PMDG here) waits until the SDK comes out with the full version and FSX is released around beginning of Oct, we should not expect some of our favorite addons to be ready until sometime in Feb of 07.

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I'm sure I'll get in trouble for asking, but...How does the A320 fit into the grand scheme of things?Will it be after the above mentioned work or concurrent?

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Thanks for the update :)I don't know why, but it excites me to hear that the 744 update will take around 5+ months and I don't mind waiting that time either, must be something to do with the complexity of the plane and new features of FSX :((I don't want to ask, but what about the A32X :-lol )

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>What I found most interesting is the 5 months to get in ready>for FSX in re: 744. That speaks volumes as to how long any of>our addons from any dev will take be it scenery or aircraft to>get it ready for FSX. So if a dev (not saying PMDG here) waits>until the SDK comes out with the full version and FSX is>released around beginning of Oct, we should not expect some of>our favorite addons to be ready until sometime in Feb of 07.Honestly, I don't expect any major add-on before spring 2007. But that's ok. I'am one of those who will wait a while to buy FSX, most likely wait until Vista is out and reasonably stable and until the major issues with DX10 (and drivers) have settled.And my PC, which is only a bit over a year old, will most likely need another update to run FS X + complex addons as well as it can now run FS9 with all the nice addons.Patience is the key, i guess. I'am sure, FS X will bring a lot of new and exciting things for all of us, but I'am not so much worrying about all that stuff right now. Instead, I enjoy flying in FS9 and the great PMDG products and I'am perfectly happy with the quality and stability of these products (i would say, it will take a while until FS-X will reach this level of reliability).

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>I'm sure I'll get in trouble for asking, but...>>How does the A320 fit into the grand scheme of things?>>Will it be after the above mentioned work or concurrent?At the PMDG Ops FAQ site it says that the A320 will be a purely FSX product - I think that is as much as you will get.Gene

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Assuming no work was done before FSX was released, 5 months after FSX is released. Assuming. ;)As time will tell us, I look forward to all the updates. FS10 looks like a lovely update.

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Eric-I wouldn't infer too much on my estimate. I'm merely looking at the time we have already invested- plus an estimate of how much more still remains ahead.This will vary from product to product, I'm certain. Some less complex addons, and some addons that don't go to the depth that the Queen reaches will take less time. The QOTS product line requires significant resources to run, and as you probably guessed FSX is going to demand more resources than FS9- so Lefteris is devoting a tremendous amount of time to learning the new FSX platform- and optimizing the 400 to capitalize on performance gains in order to deliver the same or better performance under FSX than we see under FS9.His focus is to capitalize on the strengths of the new FSX platform to bring you the best performance possible. It's a SIGNIFICANT amount of work in a simulation as complex as the Queen.We could simply make it run, paying no attention to the opportunities to optimize within FSX- and kick it out the back door to you, but PMDG doesn't operate that way, as you know. ;-)

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>The MD11 will have two versions, one for FS9, one for FSX and>I will have to decide which one to get if I want to buy it?Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I don't think it's an either/or proposition. If both versions are made, nothing stops you from getting both.Personally, I'm more concerned with their definitely being an FS9 version of the MD-11 then how fast an FSX one becomes available, as I'm thinking at the moment I won't be doing FSX until next spring or so anyhow. And since at the moment, it seems there will indeed be one for FS9 as originially planned, I'm content. :)

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Hi Robert,Just want to say thanks for the post and what you can tell us at this time. I would guess that since FSX is a new product, there're many variables that need to be worked out. Ken.

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Here's to hoping the MD-11 is available for FS9!! Like so many others, I don't plan on even messing with FSX until next year, and probably summer, since I need hardware and add-ons to really enjoy the sim.Keeping my fingers crossed.

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>You will have the opportunity to fly The Queen in FSXThat's all I needed to know!And a big thank-you for the extra info on optimization in the later post!Cheers,Martijn

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Personally, I'm more concerned with their definitely being an FS9 version of the MD-11 then how fast an FSX one becomes available, as I'm thinking at the moment I won't be doing FSX until next spring or so anyhow. And since at the moment, it seems there will indeed be one for FS9 as originially planned, I'm content.
I feel exactly the same way. I have been waiting for this aircraft for a long time and have recently spent over $200 U.S. in scenery and texture upgrades for FS2004.On my system - FS2004 looks incredible. FSX will be better - yes, but I cannot afford the *GPU with a PC attached to it* that will be required to run FSX at sufficient speed and quality.

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Well Robert did say one of the things that precipitated the a320 was the groups ability to now run concurrent product lines so we'llsee it when we see it I guess'Patient man ride donkey' we say in Ja - so I'm flat on my ahem, butt waiting :)regards,MarkXPHomeSP2/FS9.1/3.2HT/1024mb/X700pro256

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I just want to add something. He mentioned being able to fly the Queen in FSX but he never said it to be a PMDG product. FSX will be shipping with the 747-400 as a default aircraft. It is official and is on their website. Bottom line, let PMDG do their thing and let the speculation end. Any estimates now are immature anyway because once the SDK comes out it may be found to be extremely easy to port over, or extremely hard, and I don't blame PMDG for not wanted to fuel the flames of assumption. The bottom line is that until the game comes out there are no hard facts and though PMDG may have a relationship with the design team, games sometimes go through many changes which can make the final product differ greatly from earlier beta versions, and I applaud PMDG for concentrating on what they know and not rushing to make FSX compatibility fixes/changes that may end up not working on the shipping version of FSX. Lets all get FSX as a way of supporting our fanbase and prove to everyone that we are indeed a worthwhile group to invest in, but please understand that even FS9 took some time to stretch its legs, and FSX will be no different. In fact, to have any sort of product of PMDG quality with all of their custom systems within 5 months of FSX's release would be amazing. I have purchased everything PMDG has ever released except there airplace statue(sorry guys!) and I plan on continuing this as long as they stay the pace and do what they've always done. Lets worry about FSX when FSX is here. Personally, I have some flights to do in FS9.......

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by queen i meant near shipping time..lol. I know the PMDG queen will make it over eventually! :)

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Please see above for the comment about 5 months. Don't /assume/ that is five months -after- FSX annouces. Just 5 months total of development time since they've had FSX.How long have they have FSX?-coughcough- -shady look around-.There ya go. =)

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Gentlemen-(I'm directing this at you boys, since the ladies are generally more well behaved.) ;-)As you may or (in the case of a few of you) may not have noticed, we are being expressly quiet about FSX and the compatibility of many of our product lines with FSX and/or FS9.There is a very specific reason for our lack of comment, and it is legal in nature. The bottom line is that we are very limited as to what we can and cannot say regarding FSX at this time, and we'd rather not get into specifics that might accidentally get us or anyone else into trouble.The following information is all that we can give you at this time:-> The MD11 has been being developed as an FS9 based product, with the intent that an FSX compatible version will also be produced. Specific details of compatibility will have a lot to do with how FSX progresses, how the MD11 progresses, and about 20 other factors that I cannot discuss.-> The NG series cannot be modified/updated/patched to make it compatible with FSX. We should fix that problem pretty quickly with the 737NGX product line, however that brings this three year old product line up to standards with all the new PMDG/FSX bells and whistles. The NGX product line is all new, and bears no relation to the existing NG product line.-> The PMDG 747-400 series products are not compatible with FSX. You will have the opportunity to fly The Queen in FSX, however- and I cannot give you more details than this.In the past, it's been traditional for developers to patch their most current products to make them compatible with the newer version of FS. I think you'll see some of this from the development community- but I should warn you that FSX is a bigger structural change than we've seen in 10+ years- so this is not a matter of changing a few lines of code. We already know that the 400 series product line will have somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 months of work done on it by the time you fly it in FSX. The implications of this haven't been fully considered- and as such I'm not going to give you any information on what/how/when, etc. Yes folks- that is ALL I am allowed to tell you at this time. I would politely ask that you refrain from demanding specific details on FSX or our products relation to FSX- as we will be unable to answer most all of those questions for now. Once we are able to talk more freely- we will, of course.

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