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MD-11 is a dissappointment visually - sorry

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Just to add my .02, for me the VC is totally unusable. The font problem is so bad that unless I zoom in I cannot read any numbers, letters. The 2D is fine, the VC isn't.Preformance wise, I am using the addon liveries and all had to be mit mapped FPS is ok with them but nothing outstanding.JayXP Pro SP2-FSX SP2AMD FX60-8800GTS-2 Gigs RAMFEX-GEX-UTUSA-FSGenesis-and a bunch of other stuffComputer optimized by www.fs-gs.com

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I agree, the font is terrible. And the windows looks cheap :/The aircraft is still awesome though :D- Philip

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>Display characters seem to make extensive use of Windows XP>built-in fonts (I loathe this technique, it just doesn't>'feel' realistic). Dave,Characters on the Display Units and the MCDUs use custom made fonts, prepared to match the ones of the real aircraft. Just compare with any MD-11 picture and you will see what I mean. I have personally created them, character by character (one font for the DUs, a different for the MCDUs), so your comment about built-in XP fonts really surprises me!Any chance that something went wrong in the installation and you see substitude fonts?Other than that, I can't say anything. I respect your personal view althought I disagree :-)P.S.There are some options in the FS menus that make the VC display in lower resolution/detail, maybe you have any of these on? This could explain your impressions. I can't remember them now, but Vin can step in and remind me.

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Just to clarify, for me its EVERY letter and number on everything on the instrument panel, every button, every display, all are unreadable if I am 'zoomed back' far enough to actually see the panel.XP Pro SP2-FSX SP2AMD FX60-8800GTS-2 Gigs RAMFEX-GEX-UTUSA-FSGenesis-and a bunch of other stuffComputer optimized by www.fs-gs.com

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hi,i kind of tend to agree with what has been written,another concern for me was the inability to hear the engine sound as in 747-400 perhaps i have got used to hearing the loud engine sounds of 747,though i do not know in reality if the engine sounds in md-11 is a true reflection of what in get in the sim, as i have never had the opurtinity to travel in md-11,even with full thrust i never seem to hear the blasts of three enginesotherwise md-11 seems a decent package though i still prefer the 747.virtul cockpit is a disappointment.

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I honestly disagree with you all entirely, I think they did a very good job with this. I like the visual model much more than the 747x in my opinion and the vc looks just as good at the 747x. They went much deeper than the 747 with this project and I think they did a very good job. Congratulations PMDG, keep up the good work.

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For me, it's perfectly readable, I suppose you got some trouble in the installation process because I do not feel characters as being "default Windows" at all.For the eye candy, it's all about your FSX options in the VC and can be really ugly or really nice depend of what you select/perf of your computer.Finally, for the "sound" issue, you should have read more carefully everything that beta team and technical advisor said. Engine are not to being ear from the cockpit in the MD11 at it is in the 747, except at T/O thrust... This is due to the fact that at least one of the engine is really really far from you...Anyway I find sound superb and don't understand those crictise for a product of this quality... The 2D panel on the other side is the most usable I have ever see until now.Regards.

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What resolution are you running at? On my machine with a 19" LCD at 1280x1024 (I want a widescreen badly) with the FSX anti-aliasing on everything's pretty legible on the captain's side. As far as the sounds go, that's as real as you'll get from the pilot's point of view. There were multiple, lengthy discussions on this. More engine sound...less engine sound...what do you hear in the real plane, what do you hear on youtube, what do you hear in the cabin. On and on. There's always the sound sliders in FSX options if you would prefer a different balance.Be fortunate that PMDG elected to go with a later style standby gauge that doesn't need to be rattling nonstop for hours at a time, though some people actually preferred to have it!

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One thing you guys should try is rebuilding your FSX.cfg by deleting the current one and letting the sim rebuild. During testing I had really strange looking zoom angles etc in the VC and it was because of stuff that was somehow stored in FSX.cfg. It looked far better after I did this.Some of the text on the FCP and such really is smaller than the text is on the 744 though (comparing the real planes I mean) and there's more aliasing on those fonts just because of the way a video card draws smaller things.

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I tend to disagree with the negative comments in this thread.I do not have the 747 so I cannot make any comparisons to that plane, but my sub-par computer display a beatiful rendition of the VC and is completely useful for me. I do thank PMDG for using alternative methods to lower FPS, as this is one of the reasons I havent got the 747.My only complaint is on the visual model. I'm still missing pieces of the plane, but other than that, its a joy to fly. By the way... I live close to KDFW so I get a chance to see 747s and MD11s, and MD11s engines is in no way as loud as the 747.Thanks for a wonderful (and expensive) product. (If my wife ever finds out what I paid for it, next thing I'll see from her is the divorce papers =) )

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We spent alot of time making sure the engine sound levels in the cockpit are as realistic as possible, however if you wish to have louder engines it is very easy to do.Go to FSX options, to the sound menu and there you can change the "engine sound" slider from the default value of 50 to say around 60, but I wouldnt go too much higher as the sub bass volume mixing is optimised for the default volume of 50 - higher values may overload your speakers.Armen L Cholakianhttp://www.veryquiet.com/pics/sig_PMDG_MD11_DevTeam.jpg

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Well, having bought everything that PMDG has ever released, having also paid over 250 Euros for the MD11(FS2004 and FSX edition) and printed manuals, I feel entitled to express my opinion.I wasn't going to say anything because the MD11 has been so universally applauded but I find the 2D panels of the plane a complete disappointment. I am not talking about the functionality of the plane which is, no doubt, second to none.It is a cartoon plane and I think visuals are very important part of the immersion. It looks less like a real cockpit then the PMDG 737, which was released over 8 years ago (I think)and on an old platform.Visually, look at Digital Aviations's Piper Cheyenne's overhead or Ayres Cockpits for Falcon 4 to see how realistic panels can look.Visually, it also a complete backward step from the PMDG 747, whether FS2004 or FSX.But that is the end of my rant. PMDG is an excellent company and I have no other complaints. But I hope the 737 NGX will be different as this is my most early anticipated plane.Cheers all.Pod.

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I really (and I'm sure Vin will too as the modeler) have to take issue with you calling the VC a "Wilco type production" though - do you see any 2D pictures of knobs anywhere instead of 3D modeled ones or other hallmarks of such low quality VCs? This VC was created right off of the actual engineering schematics that were used to build the real cockpit by the way.

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HiI am with Pod all the way, I have not taken to the sky yet waiting for the fuel level sliding selector problem to be solved. But when I sit on the VC flight deck, it looks poor, not nearly as good as the 747x. It just does not give the feeling of a PMDG product. For me. I think there is a good possibility it will stay in the hanger.Bob

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That's right and another thing is that a person can go get different real world pics of the MD-11 cockpit and some will look flat and others will look glossy......so I think it's one of those cases where you're "darned if you do, darned if you don't".Same with the VC window reflection. Darned if you do, darned if you don't. VC window refl might be nice option for the user to play with, though...if it were an option. (hint hint) However I have found that many times, VC reflection is way overdone. And that's bad too. I'd rather have none than have it be overdone.RhettFS box: E8500 (@ 3.80 ghz), AC Freezer 7 Pro, ASUS P5E3 Premium, BFG 8800GTX 756 (nVidia 169 WHQL), 4gb DDR3 1600 Patriot Cas7 7-7-7-20 (2T), PC Power 750, WD 150gb 10000rpm Raptor, Seagate 500gb, Silverstone TJ09 case, Vista Ultimate 64ASX Client: AMD 3700+ (@ 2.6 ghz), 7800GT

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If you are seeing blurry textures in the VC and square windows on the fuselage, you are having serious display issues. I recommend making sure your global texture setting within FSX is set to the highest, that you use anistrophic filtering on your video card (as high as your card will allow), and that you run at a reasonably high resolution if possible. Also make sure "high resolution virtual cockpit" is checked in your display options, or the glass displays will appear only 25% of their intended resolution.Best,http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/for...er_MD11_Vin.jpg

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>Hi>>I am with Pod all the way, I have not taken to the sky yet>waiting for the fuel level sliding selector problem to be>solved. But when I sit on the VC flight deck, it looks poor,>not nearly as good as the 747x. It just does not give the>feeling of a PMDG product. For me. I think there is a good>possibility it will stay in the hanger.>>BobThat only affects your ability to set fuel through the Load Manager app - you can still set it just fine through the PMDG menu or through the MCDU's FS actions menu.

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Gents-I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry reading this thread.This VC is probably the most detailed ever produced for flight simulator. It is 10,000 some-on polies more complex than the 400. Unlike the 400, all bottons and knobs are correctly scaled to size and range of motion. The texturing was done by photo-survey of an actual MD-11 (hence the paint chips and wearing) and the lighting has been worked in such a way to provide a true lighting ambiance to match the cockpit of the airplane.Now- I realize that my opinion probable is a bit biased (:-)) and keep in mind that i've spent a few thousand hours on airplane flight decks, so i'm probably less qualified than just about anyone to comment... but....I think some of you folks may have display, driver or settings issues because I'm just not seeing what the kvetching is about.Compared to this cockpit, the 400/400X looks old and dated. I think the MD does to the 400 what the 400 did to the NG.Just my opinion...

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Hi,I completely disagree with the negative comments in here. I've got the 744 for FS9, and this is far and beyond that in terms of look/feel, not to mention systems-wise, too (differences between FS9/FSX aside...).I can make the VC look real blocky and poor if I turn down all the display options to their lowest levels. As it is I'm running it at 1600x1200x32 at maximum detail, ad it looks fantastic. I'm not one to fly from the VC, but this has changed that for me! :DIf you're seeing default windows fonts, you obviously have an install issue.Best regards,Robin.

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I haven't been able to comment on the MD-11 to much since buying it release day because it wasn't usable on my lap top so I had to order a 2GB card on Toshiba so I could have the maximum 3GB for windows vista. After getting the upgrade this morning, and currently halfway through flying from Long Beach to Jacksonville I will say this. I own many add ons from various companies, and a lot of different types of aircraft not just commercial jets. I had the fuzzy texture problem at first but that was because my computer was maxing out them memory. With the 3GB all the cockpit textures are crisp, and after spending many hours on md11.org and airliners.net the aircraft definately matches the real deal as far as the VC look/feel, and the external model. Out of my many add-on's this is the only aircraft that makes me feel like I am a pilot. It has the longest checklist I have ever seen but everytime I do it I get better and now that I can do more than just run up engines on the ramp it is a lot more fun. I do not own the 747, it is not my type of aircraft. Looking at pictures and seeing videos on web sites it looks to me the 747 and MD-11 have about the same look and feel to the cockpits. I think the aircraft are to vastly different to say one is better than the other. It all comes down to quality and I think this company definately put the priorities in the right places. The only thing that I have noticed is from certain angles on the outside the textures are a little blurred, but it is nothing I can't live with since I stay in the VC almost the entire time anyway. I would have to say $276 later that this is the closest I will ever get to flying a tri-jet, and it definately satisfies my procedure simulation wants and I think it looks good. Like with everything else it is up to the individual to decide if something is worth their money or not. I would say that for $81US I am very pleased cause after the length of time they spent developing the plane I expected easily twice that. I just wanted to put my story out there so people can see that there are some who do not have issues. I do not know how people clock their frame rates in FSX, but after the RAM upgrade I no longer experience the OOM, or have textures reload everytime I go to the external view. My specs are as follows:Toshiba X205-9359 17" widescreen latopIntel Core 2 Duo T72003GB DDR2 PC2-5300 8700MGT320GB 5400RPM

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>but I find the 2D panels of the plane a>complete disappointment. ???Do they look the same as those previews photos by Carl:http://picasaweb.google.com/cavaricooper(watch them at the highest resolution)these are supposed to be inferior 2D panels?I guess then we have different eyes ...Michael J.

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>Visually, it also a complete backward step from the PMDG 747,>whether FS2004 or FSX.I can't speak for the FSX version as I don't have it, but it's interesting you say that about the FS9 version.Crazy as this might sound...I installed FS9 and The Queen a few days ago just to see how I felt about FS9 after spending so much time with FSX, and to see how the 747 compared to the MD-11 I'm so used to. Here's the crazy part. The first time I loaded the 747 up, I thought I was in the default plane. If it wasn't for the black panel switcher, I probably would have reinstalled everything to see what I was doing wrong.Like I said, I know the story sounds crazy, but the look of the 2-D panel in the MD-11 blows the FS9 version of the 747 away in my opinion. We're all entitled to our opinions of course, so I respect yours. That's just something I never thought I would read in a comparison. :)

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Hi all,I bought the MD-11 because it was announced as being the new benchmark for flying heavies in FSX and I can confirm that I'm still amazed by what the PMDG team has accomplished. To me, this MD-11 is a dream come true. I don't agree with the negative comments regarding the VC but at each and every-one his/her opinion.Kind regards and lots of respect to the PMDG team and also to the beta testers who did an exellent job :-beerchug JosEBBR

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Agreed - I don't know what you expect from a sim, if "immersion" is what you're seeking, try a full flight simulator flight for about

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