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Since PSS is not there, for now anyways, I wanted to know what users of FS2004 (and FSX) would recommend for an excellent and detailed Airbus series payware? I recently saw a review of the Wilco Airbuses and it actually looks good. Has anyone purchased these and how are they, buggy and if if so, have the bugs been addressed? What about other payware? I am especially interested in the A320/319/318, A330/340. I would love to have the long range A340-500 or -600 also if good ones exist, especially with a fully functional FMC.Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.John

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Well, my personal opinion is, you can't go better than with the PSS buses. They're old, but in merge with Project Airbus or POSKY still so good and should not cost too much.Wilco might be a little better in some parts but their buses are not flawless at all.Other than that, there's a promising Airbus project, oh well simulation, called 'AirSimmer'.The bad side is that no release date is given.We gotta wait...Regards,

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The Wilco Feelthere airbusses are good value.

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John,before we get into another Wilco-antiWilco war, why don't you do some search. Your question has been answered this or that way and done to death. No offence, just a bit of advice.What you have now and counts is:1. Freeware models:a) A319 (soon)/320 - Project Airbus v2:( A318/319/320/321 - iFDGc) A330/340 - Project OpenSky2. Payware light products:a) A330/340 - CLS:( all buses - Overland3. Payware complex products:a) all buses - PSS (aged):( all buses Wilco FeelThereMerging some of the above is possible and recommended.Search for details. :)Another option is to wait for the ones to be released sooner or later.Best regards,Rafal

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Rafal, Thank-you for your advice but searching such a broad topic on this forum yields too many results. I have been a member here since 2004 and of course, I usually search but there are too many results to go through and some postings are not new. I thought I'd ask a fresh question to see what is out there now because I have not been doing much simming for the last year.I already have PSS but I do not really like the problems these buses have, especially no reliable way to resume from a save.I think I will consider the Wilco. Thanks again,Can

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Wilco are decent enough if you setup and fuel the plane correctly. There's a few rogue bugs that seem to pop up and hand flying feels a bit different if you're used to Boeings. The FBW is modelled very well which catches out some new Airbus drivers. Also be aware the only option for VC/TrackIR users is the Wilco.

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One of the rouge bugs is an inability to perform a proper autoland. I am yet to do a CAT III by the numbers and in line with procedures approach without landing short of the runway (it can do a proper autoland if in full landing configuration well before intercepting the glideslope, but that's NOT realistic). Of course I always land by hand, but that's beside the point. The plane SHOULD perform a flawless autoland and it does not.The managed descent is also nothing short of atrocious. Maybe some people don't notice, but the Wilco bus dives like a Stukas bomber then levels off then dives again and so on and so forth until reaching 10,000 feet.Those are, IMHO, showstoppers. Of course if one doesn't care for these aspects, the Wilco bus is an ok product. It climbs, it follows the flightplan (though sometimes overshoots waypoints and then circles endlessly around them) and it lands. The exterior model is nicer than the PSS too.

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Since I'm in a "minimalist" state right now, focusing more time and energy on detailed flight planning and correct departure and arrival procedures than I used to on the more detailed panels, I'm about to buy the Overland models. They're reliable, they're all there in one package, ots and lots of free repaints available, and you can't beat the price. In addition, all FDEs have just been updated/upgraded through the generous auspices of Bryan Betts (Outer Marker). He's now working on the Boeings as we speak, and he said he'd come back to the 300 after he was finished with that. To see them all, follow this link:<< http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID...&Go=Change+View >>

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Not that I'm adding an awful lot to the discussion, but for my 2 cents... :-)The Wilco airbus has been a good INTERIM option while we wait for the Airsimmer release. It has a fair approximation of the A320 systems and - if you don't try to perform any abnormal operations in it - you will barely notice the limited systems depth.My main criticisms would be:Mostly non-dynamic or 'canned' system values (ie hyd press, quantity, bleed air temps and pressures etc are always the same, no 'organic' variation)The fly-by-wire is not bad but not perfect either, you need to learn how to 'fly a wilco' rather than how to fly an airbus, as the wilco simulation does behave a little differently to the real deal. Learn how to fly it on it's own terms and you'll be fineI certainly consider it one of my best value-for-money purchases to date, but when Airsimmer comes out my Wilco 'bus will be retired permenently in favour of the better systems depth, better VC graphics and night-lighting and so on.

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IMO, I really don't like Wilco buses at all... I have experience many problems regarding the auto pilot. I have fly according to the book but that thing still fly funny. I pretty uninstall it and replace with their 737 for short haul at this point until a better bus come out.Vincent

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Thank-you everyone for your feedback. Especially thanks to Mark for mentioning Airsimmer. I am not that knowledgeable about all the companies out there so I have actually not heard of Airsimmer, but I will investigate them.There is, of course, the PMDG A321 that they wanted to create, and possibly other Airbuses, but that is on the back-burner for now as they work on other projects as far as I know. The PMDG 737NG series, by the way, is truly great, though a bit hard on frame-rates.John

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Has anyone purchased the A380 or A350 from afs-design? It looks good and there is a demo version of each plane here at AVISIM. I have done a search and found only 1 comment that the person sent the money and never recieved the files to get rid of the black banners or replies to e-mails. It has VC, FMC, etc.Lynn

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I've got the Wilco/Feelthere a320 package and am pretty disappointed. doesn't handle quite right and flight dynamics no where close to what they should be. I just keep coming back to the PMDG 737. Wait for the Airsimmer methinks. There's some good freeware products about that are much cheaper than the Wilco!Chris

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After reading the reviews it sounds very ordinary indeed.I am waiting for the Aerosoft AirbusX Extended. The original is a good add-on, but with some deliberate simplifications, but I fly the really testing stuff in the PMDG NGX so a little easier in the Airbus is OK. Incidentally the Aerosoft flight dymamics are more realistic than the Wilco - which after all is a warmed over FS9 product which has time-travelled well.The Aerosoft Extended version will at least give some more functionality including SIDS/STARS which to me is the only limiting feature at present.However I have seen no pre-orders or notices for the upgrade to the extended version for existing customers.

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Jeeze Ian where you dig this old thread up from? :)funny you know, after 3+ years the PSS and Wilco have pretty much stood the test of time and systems wise still look good against the current competition

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The Wilco A318-21 buses seem to be ok; except that my FS9 brings up an error message on closing when I've been flying it. Any hints on what might be wrong, or how to fix it? The error box seems to indicate appcrash when trying to close the feelThere gauge.;)

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Hey this is weird talking to people across a gulf of time :=)I too have partaken in the hunt for the perfect Airbus and don't mind talking about it. I originally had the PSS and it was great for a few years but having not bothered to do the POSKY merge, I abandoned it in favour of the Wilco Vol 1 and later the Airsimmer.Reality? - a perfect Airbus sim does not exist in the way that at least, near perfect Boeing 737s exist from iFly and PMDG. Airbus dynamics and flight management programming (FMGC and how it works with MCDU), are way more complex than Boeing's FMC. FBW is modelled in most versions to greater or lesser extent, and afaik only normal law is modelled in sim airbusses. The amount of computerisation, programming and automation in an Airbus is scary and pretty much unique in real world aviation. So, for simmers, it's really a matter of what's important to them, stability v. cosmetics or functionality/flyability. Only the Wilco has SIDS/STARS and Init B but its FDE leaves something to be desired, in fact both Wilco and Airsimmer tend to do daft things in the air, Airsimmer sometimes can't keep to its cruise altitude (IAE is the worst) and Wilco sometimes goes into free fall 8000fpm dives, although its descent management is much improved in the evolution version, Airbus X has Init B but no SIDS and STARS currently. Airsimmer Basic has SIDS and STARS and nice curves on the FMGC but no Init B, it looks and sounds beautiful but has some fairly crucial flaws in its flight dynamics and performance - CTDs for some (although not for me) and stutters, particularly on finals. Roll is also a real issue in the Airsimmer and for many only removal of the 2D cockpit solves stutter problems. AirbusX is also 3D cockpit only.If you're after pretty Airbuses, the Airsimmer wins in FS9 and Airbus X presumably in FSX. although I am mostly stuck with GA in FSX on my old computer.The Wilco meanwhile is not so pretty but is somewhat improved in the Evolution version - with a 2D HUD, radar and some improvements to the FMGC, curves on SID STARS and better managed descent. It is more stable, although not perfect but it also models all 8 Airbus variants, whereas the Airbus X and Airsimmer only model the A320. So for my money I plump most of the time for the Airbus Evolution with modified freeware sounds, replacement VC textures (also freeware) and shockwave lights. except fpr the A320 where I sometimes use the Airsimmer CFM only - (sans 2D cockpit), as the IAE is unusable most of the time. That way my experience is pretty good most of the time, provided I know when to intervene (similar to the real world? Hope not.)Ray

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Wow, people sometimes have some time travels, don't they? :blink:In the meantime things changed more than a bit. As you can see in my signature, I have found a decent Airbus to enjoy.Knowing AirSimmer has a rather bad opinion overall (partially deserved by its bad marketing and PR), I have no will to defend or represent it here.So, all I can say is that it flies great for me. It does need a few tweaks to begin with, but I am used to it in the FS world and see no problem in it.It is not a perfect addon (e.g. not having FSUIPC support) but I have never had one. Not in a 15-dollar sim. There are zero crucial errors for me and 100% of my flights end successfully. I am an airbus freak, so I find it a gem.Since I learned to fly AirSimmer, I have had no interest in Wilco, PSS, Project Airbus or Airbus X (being FSX only of course). AirSimmer fits me great and it will do even more once/if the improved advanced version is released.However, take my word for it, the name 'Basic' does not describe this product well, being miselading, as it is a fairly complex simulation and a beautiful environment to work in.I know some people have problems with it. I feel sincerely sorry for them. But I am enjoying it not less than iFly, another of my recent favourites. They both give me so much fun that I left my beloved (DA) Fokker 100 and (LH) MD-82! A lot of wise things have been said above, so there is no need for me to be more boring, lol. Sometimes I think we all practise a little too much theory compared to practice (flying). blum.gifSo please everyone enjoy airbuses of your choice, boeings, embraers, maddogs, fokkers, canadairs, dorniers, avros, BAE's, ATR's, dashes, saabs, Concords, Ilyushins, anotonovs, tupolevs and other aircraft.As long as they give you enjoyment, that's what all this is about!

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When it comes to Airbus it's always an interesting topic.Myself bought the CLS Airbuses right when it got out but not happy with the system. So in order to not "waste" it, I merge with wilco (all A330/A340). Smaller Airbuses I use totally from Volume 1 (waiting for PA to release their A32X VC). Despite the model isn't that "good looking", it's fine to me.It sure did took me some times to think about getting Airsimmer but I'd rather wait for their advance versionPA A380 is truely amazing too./Little bit OT. Comparing to Boeing on Fs2004 market which has PMDG,iFly,PSS,Captainsim,Qualitywings...Airbus doesn't have any..

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