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CLS B747-200/300 has been released...

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Thanks for that heads up. Perhaps you can compare it to the RFP version and give us your feedback.

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...a "Gear Down, - 3 Green" 747...Sam______________________________________Flight Simmers never get drunk........ Just get their Yaw-Damper disactivated.

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I'll do a quick comparison between the RFP and the CLS versions and then leave you with a couple of impressions. I have not spent much time with the CLS aircraft yet, but been flying the RFP version since fs2002. The CLS 742 is a "lite" version of this aircraft meaning that there is no systems modeled, no FFRATS, no Fuel, electric, and hydraulic panels(that work). Of course, it is the brilliant modeling of these systems that has placed the RFP model into the simmers hall of fame. What you do get with the CLS model is two beautiful visual models a -200 and a -300 (each having 3 engine variants; PW, RR, & GE). They have all the animations that you would expect in this day and age (wing flex, etc.) The 2-D panel is like your looking at a cleaned up version of the RFP panel (same layout) and is visually appealing. The V/C is excellent. I'm not much of a V/C flier, but this one offers a great pilots perspective and has very good gauge refresh rates, such tht I can fly from the V/C during critical phases of flight, like take off and landing. The flight model is excellent. I haven't been a big fan of Warren Daniel's flight models in the past(nothing personal there, Warren) but he does a great job of conveying the feel of a heavy without making the point in your face. I found it to be stable in all phases of flight, and holds a glide slope well. It feels very similar to the RFP flight model, but a bit more stable. There are a few bugs that need to be worked out, no real show stoppers (to me anyway), but I would monitor their forum to find out what's going on. So, why did I buy this? The "lite" concept is very appealing to me. Most of the time, I don't want to go through pages of checklists just to start engines and taxi. Been there, done that. Most of the time I just want to fill 'er up, enter in a quick flight plan and go. The real challenge that CLS is going to face is that is this model really worth the 33.95 euros that their asking, given all of the good freeware options out there?Well, there it is, folks, my "quick comparison" and my two cents worth. Oh, I forgot to mention that the sound system is excellent and that there are different one for each engine type (PW, RR, & GE).Regards, -Robert

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Thanks for the quick review. I'll probably skip this one for now, as I'm in that systems-happy phase of my Flight Sim evolution, and the RFP fits the bill just fine (especially when paired with Ernie Alston's ISG gauges and FMC). Still, if somebody comes up with a merge between this and the RFP, it might be worth a look.John G.

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Johan,I don't have the 747-200 from CLS, but I do have a number of their other planes, and this is in the same style - it is a "LITE" simulator. There are no in depth systems simulated. They make nice looking models though. :-)

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I'm curious about the frame rates. I've heard that it is an FPS hog, that it has no impact, and everything in between.-Jeremy

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I would like to see some VC shots from normal flying angles....

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http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/781/fsscr004bz9.jpg(Shot was taken at 1280x1024 and resized to 1000x800)I personally think it's a great aircraft..panel and VC are awesome! The refresh rate of the gauges is really high, making real smooth instruments. There is a lot of 'depth' visible in the VC, it's very three-dimensional. I framerates are good to very good I'd say, I would guess somewhat comparable to the Overland series. So far the only 'bad' thing I've experienced is the oversensitive elevator trim.

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I thanks you for posting....Now, does that Performance Data Computer work or is it just eye candy? Also does it use an INS system for NAV?It sure looks nice.

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I don't know about the Data Computer, it does not have an INS system right now, but I believe, like with the DC-10, it will be added later on as a seperate download

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I think I will be purchasing it but I am wondering when it will be available at Simmarket. I have a credit there that I would like to use.

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I was reading on their forum that once they update it to the next version it will be ready for SimMarket.

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Was wondering if their site is down.Keep getting authentication required errors when trying to open their website.Thanks

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>Was wondering if their site is down.>Keep getting authentication required errors when trying to>open their website.>>ThanksIt has been down, but try it now. I was able to access their website as of Friday, 2245hrs GMT (or 4:45pm U.S. central time).Regards, Robert

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I've seen it in action but it is a VERY-LITE product.In fact it is rubbish.Altough I myself are not able to make it like that (do it yourself then if you think you can do it better idea..) it is in comparison with the RFP nothing more than like the stock 737.Nothing special, not even a tiny little bit of systems is been produced. Nothing!.Nice for kiddies, but if you like to have SOMETHING todo while flying, forget this.Sorry, but my opinion on this.JohanA LITTLE LESS CONVERSATION, AND A LITTLE MORE ACTION PLEASE..http://www.jdserver.mine.nu/johanhttp://www.jdserver.mine.nu/va

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oh dear !I dont know why but i was hoping for something that came close to the RFP 747Now we all know that is asking a lot but!!Is this how far we have come in the flight sim world , from RFP , LEVEL D , PDMG even freeware (Ifly)Am i expecting too much ???Mark

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This is a simple lite simulation product it is for the people that like the aircraft models, vc, and just want to fly without setting up every single thing, if you want heavy systems just use rfp. I really dont understand why some people bash, it for not being like pmdg or lvl d complexity, those aircraft take a very long time to develop to get them right, since there's a ton of things running to get the system as real as it gets.

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Yes you are right it is a lite product as advertised .There are some great light aircraft both freeware and payware out there which have more systems moddeled than the 742 I for one am not "bashing" this offering from CLS ,it is just that in my humble opinion that if you are prepared to spend your 'hard earned'on a long haul aircraft then I dont think it is unreasonable to expect (hope) for something just a little bit more involved.Finally , this is not a rant, not a critisim, just my two cents Mark

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>Yes you are right it is a lite product as advertised .>There are some great light aircraft both freeware and payware>out there which have more systems moddeled than the 742 >I for one am not "bashing" this offering from CLS ,it is just>that in my humble opinion that if you are prepared to spend>your 'hard earned'>on a long haul aircraft then I dont think it is unreasonable>to expect (hope) for something just a little bit more>involved.>Finally , this is not a rant, not a critisim, just my two>cents >>MarkHI Mark I totally understand what you mean you want to get the best bang for your buck, I have to admit that it is a tad pricey, but things have been going pretty crazy in the u.s.a with everything going up and the week dollar really is messing us up real bad.

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I absolutely agree. I can fly the heavy sims no problem. I own most of them. However it takes practice and set up and time. My personal life is such that I dont have that much time any more. So this lovely little 747 is welcomed to me! I dont have time for long range flying anymore any any case, but when I need a 747, this one works fine.its my money and CLS hit it right for me. Everyone else has their own needs (with respect!)Eric

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EDIT:The APU is not modelled, but the starter switches are at the F/E panel.

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