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Hello. I tried a search on here for 64 bit upgrades from the VISTA 32 bit OS, and was returned with an error.So, my question is, is it worth the effort to upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit VISTA OS for FSX? I have a stock Q6600 CPU in a MSI P7N Platinum SLI mobo. I also have 4MB of DDr2-800 RAM, and a GeForce 8800GT card. I operate with 2 monitors. I have tried to OC the CPU but with no luck. So I have been using the onboard MSI over clock tool.Would I greatly benefit from upgrading to a 64 bit VISTA OS?Thank you for the help and direction...Bill

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In all honesty,I would say no,Vista is crap anyway and to switch to a 64bit version is not recommended and I work in IT Support and I have vista on my laptop and will be switching back to xp.Vista is crap.Save your money,invest in a better graphics card or ram or motherboard or cpu instead of that.Fullstop.

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In all honesty,I would say no,Vista is crap anyway and to switch to a 64bit version is not recommended and I work in IT Support and I have vista on my laptop and will be switching back to xp.Vista is crap.Save your money,invest in a better graphics card or ram or motherboard or cpu instead of that.Fullstop.
Hmm.. I have a similar question with the OP. My current FSX installation is running on a C2D E8400 OCed to 3.65GHz, (now) 4Gig of DDR2-800, 384MB 8800GTS, running XP Pro and it runs sweet. I am planning to build another rig soon, mainly for my digital imaging applications, and I wanted it to be 64-Bit. Photoshop CS4, Final Cut Pro, 3DSutdioMAX are among the main "big" apps that will be running on this system. I am told that Vista64 is currently "the best 64-bit OS solution for the PC" (well aside from XP64, what else?). I'm eyeing on a Q9650, GTX285, 16GigRAM, on an Asus P5QC ?? mobo.With 64bit in mind, I'm entertaining thoughts of installing FSX on this new rig :( For those running FSX on VIsta64, do you think there is a significant boost in performance? (by performance, i mean overall smoothness, not just FPS).santiago

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With 64bit in mind, I'm entertaining thoughts of installing FSX on this new rig :( For those running FSX on VIsta64, do you think there is a significant boost in performance? (by performance, i mean overall smoothness, not just FPS).
On my QX9770 with GTX280 + OCZ 1333MHz on 790i nForce i did not see any significant changes with 64bit over 32bit. You will have no memory problems (32bit is up to 3,1GB) in 64bit OSes.I would go for a Vista, XP is an old system. Vista is not so bad as people says.By the way, FCP is an MacOS application, not a Windows one

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64bit is ideal for taking advantage of the full 4Gb of your memory, and with FSX SP2 being >2Gb Aware, you may be able to run sliders a bit further to the right than you have now.Just make sure before you switch to 64 bit, that you can get drivers for all the peripherals you use with your PC, such as printers/scanners, etc etc.

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So, my question is, is it worth the effort to upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit VISTA OS for FSX? I have a stock Q6600 CPU in a MSI P7N Platinum SLI mobo. I also have 4MB of DDr2-800 RAM, and a GeForce 8800GT card. I operate with 2 monitors. I have tried to OC the CPU but with no luck. So I have been using the onboard MSI over clock tool.Would I greatly benefit from upgrading to a 64 bit VISTA OS?
Despite wintercon's ire against Vista, I take the opposite opinion - Vista is just fine for consumer use, and I'd likely never have a need or want to drop back to XP. You'll find a good number of people who are using Vista on their day-to-day computers with no problems, both in the 32 and 64 bit flavors. I don't think any of Microsoft's OS releases have ever been universally embraced at release throughout their history - recall that Windows XP had people with similar experiences for several years after its release as well. Back on track with the original poster - My system is similar to yours. (See below) I have run XP, Vista32, and Vista64 on it with FSX, and I have found that V64 is the superior version for my needs. Although the differences are small, I found that V64 seems to fly smoother and with less blurring versus V32/XP. Other than that, the system seems slightly snappier in day-to-day use, but not by much. I have not run into any program incompatabilities or problems that couldn't be solved due to the 32-vs-64 difference. Answering your question - Would you greatly benefit from V64? Probably not. But I have seen some small improvements that made the change worthwhile to me. Considering these differences are small, it may not be worth the effort to install V64 onto your computer. There is no "upgrade" path between V32 and V64 - you will be required to do a full-fledged reinstall.If time and effort are no issue, then I see no reason not to try it out. Just keep in mind that any improvements are going to be pretty small. If you do not like reinstallations and such, then you may wish to stay put. It does take some time and effort to do a reinstall like this, so if that doesn't strike you as interesting, you may wish to stay put for now.Enjoy!-Greg

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By the way, FCP is an MacOS application, not a Windows one
Lol, that didn't occur to me. I actually had Adobe Premier Pro in mind, but the fingers typed a different app :( I think that's because there was a point I was contemplating whether to go Mac on these apps.... but ended deciding on sticking to PC :)anyways, thanks for that correction ;)

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In all honesty,I would say no,Vista is crap anyway and to switch to a 64bit version is not recommended and I work in IT Support and I have vista on my laptop and will be switching back to xp.Vista is crap.Save your money,invest in a better graphics card or ram or motherboard or cpu instead of that.Fullstop.
wintercon,Get your facts straight before you spread misinformation.c12@fft,Vista x64 is an excellent and solid OS and the BEST OS I have used to date run FSX. You will definitely see a benefit.

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If you're going to try a 64 bit OS then I heartily recommend you give the public beta of Windows 7 a try. It's rock stable with FSX. Think of it as Vista with all the bugs ironed out.

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I upgraded to Vista 64 last week. I have noticed that selected views 'snap' on screen when selected. Also, I have not experienced an OOM error yet. Make sure you do a clean install. Have fun!Bob..

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In all honesty,I would say no,Vista is crap anyway and to switch to a 64bit version is not recommended and I work in IT Support and I have vista on my laptop and will be switching back to xp.Vista is crap.Save your money,invest in a better graphics card or ram or motherboard or cpu instead of that.Fullstop.
Now there's a well balanced scientific discussion of the merits of two operating systems. :(

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Thank you all for the input..I am still contemplating what avenue to take. One other question then. If I do a Vista64 install, would I lose my addons? The only one is the Lionheart Creations "EpicLT" aircraft.Also, this computer is strictly for FSX. It was only connected to the internet long enough to register hardware.Again, thanks for the input. I read the boards and posting every day, just don't post much.Bill

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Thank you all for the input..I am still contemplating what avenue to take. One other question then. If I do a Vista64 install, would I lose my addons? The only one is the Lionheart Creations "EpicLT" aircraft.Also, this computer is strictly for FSX. It was only connected to the internet long enough to register hardware.Again, thanks for the input. I read the boards and posting every day, just don't post much.Bill
If you own the addon, I would hope that you have it backed up somewhere. You will want to install the OS clean then install FSX clean, and then install any FSX addons.

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You will want to install the OS clean then install FSX clean, and then install any FSX addons.
Just a quick point of order... You will HAVE to install the OS clean then install FSX clean, and then install any FSX addons. (There are no "upgrade" options to the 64-bit platform - only a full, clean install) But to reinforce - yes, you will need to have your original files for any addons, whether or not they are payware or freeware. -Greg

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I would say no,Vista is crap anyway
Umm, no, its not. (See, I can make unqualified statements too).
and to switch to a 64bit version is not recommended
Oh, really. So I guess this whole move to a 64 bit based OS is just a fad, like that interweb thingy people keep going on about? I'd love to see why it's not recommended.
and I work in IT Support and I have vista on my laptop and will be switching back to xp. Vista is crap.
Guess what, I had a laptop with 64Mb RAM, 233 Processor. It ran XP like a pig. Great Win98 performance though!Have you thought - perhaps - that you're running barely enough on the hardware requirements side?
Save your money,invest in a better graphics card or ram or motherboard or cpu instead of that.
You'll see from my sig that my specs are more or less the same. I've not enjoyed FS9 this much since I made the move to Vista64. Everything maxed out, lots of lovely AI, clouds, full eyecandy; I didn't even get this degree of performance with a cut down version of XP specifically built by me to run just FS9. Took a lot of tweaking to get it just right, but I'm so happy with it right now.FSX runs OK, certainly better than when I had it running in Vista32. Still can't get DX10 preview to work so good, though.I'm no MS fanboi, I think they really botched the rollout of Vista; I think the word "Vista" has caused a lot of reputational damage to Redmond, and probably played a part in the rising success of the fruity OS. Sure, performance was initially terrible, but SP1 pretty well fixed that. Its a mature OS now, and I cannot remember the last time I had a BSOD or crash on Vista (even pre SP1, I think the same cannot be said of XP - that was not a "solid" OS at its inception took till at least SP2 till you got that). It is, as other posters have said, rock solid, excellent performance on the right hardware (read; at least recommended requirements, not minimum!!)<rant>Sorry to all to feed the troll, but I am so, so tired of hearing the same "its crap" comments from so called people in the know who, if they still, this far into Vista's lifecycle, really believe what they're saying demonstrate exactly the sum total of what they really know.</end rant>To the OP - go with Vista 64. You won't regret it. If you can wait for Win7, then wait for that, but go 64 on that. I'm using Win7 as my work OS, and I have to say its even better than Vista. I cannot speak for gaming performance on it (as I said, its the work side of my PC, so I dual boot), but from what I read and feedback on the various fora here, it suggests that W7 will be better than Vista. BTW - I gave up trying to use the MSI overclock tool, and got dirty with the BIOS settings. For me, I found I had to do a lot of research and Googling on my kit, but I am pretty happy with the O/C I have now. All the results I found, did suggest more luck with BIOSing your overclock. Good luck!

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Different people have different opinions, but I personally do not think that Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit is "crap".

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I have run into few issues with Vista 64 early on, and this experience is no different than my experience when i moved from Windows 2000 to Windows XP - how quickly we forget that XP had its moments early on too. All my vista issues that impacted my FSX experience are solved, but here they are:- User Access Control or UAC - a feature that makes everything secure, thus very inconvenient, and primarily avoids the novice user shooting his/herself in the foot. UAC is now off in my case.- video drivers, which have little to do with MS and largely the main chipset vendors out there, which early on, redefined "crap". Fixed now for at least a year.- file transfers, would slow down for no reason. Fixed in SP1.- lack of 64 bit controller drivers early on, although I have to say that CH Products released their new drivers within a few months Vista came out officially.I'd venture to say the largest problem is not the switch from XP to Vista, but the switch from 32 bit drivers to 64 bit drivers, and a tigher security model in the operating system's kernel that had many vendors having to rewrite their code. Some of the solutions Vista has provided me with:- No more OOM (64 bit)- 30% higher FPS than on the same hardware running XP 32, could be memory, could be luck, not sure - but I'll take it :)- even higher perf with DX10 although the DX10 engine in FSX has a couple of major bugs in it.I'm very pleased, and well worth the upgrade

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I have new new system...DELL XPS430, Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q8300 @ 2.5 - 6 GB RAM, ATI 4850 with 512, and window vista 64 bit OS. FSX runs great...I have the majority of my sliders to the right. Heres the problem...I still have FS9 installed on this system...ALL my payware programs will not install...they can not handle the 64 bit OS. I just purchase CS727-100 for FSX, and it will not install because of the 64 bit...it runs great in my old machine windows XP. What I was considering was to replace Vista 64 with Vista 32 so I can get all my favorita payware flying again on FS9 and FSX.Any opionions....greatly appreciatedThanks......Mark

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What I was considering was to replace Vista 64 with Vista 32 so I can get all my favorita payware flying again on FS9 and FSX.Any opionions....greatly appreciated
Do a dual boot - one V64 for FSX and one V32 for FS2004. This is the only solution that will come to my mind

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I have run into few issues with Vista 64 early on, and this experience is no different than my experience when i moved from Windows 2000 to Windows XP - how quickly we forget that XP had its moments early on too. All my vista issues that impacted my FSX experience are solved, but here they are:- User Access Control or UAC - a feature that makes everything secure, thus very inconvenient, and primarily avoids the novice user shooting his/herself in the foot. UAC is now off in my case.- video drivers, which have little to do with MS and largely the main chipset vendors out there, which early on, redefined "crap". Fixed now for at least a year.- file transfers, would slow down for no reason. Fixed in SP1.- lack of 64 bit controller drivers early on, although I have to say that CH Products released their new drivers within a few months Vista came out officially.I'd venture to say the largest problem is not the switch from XP to Vista, but the switch from 32 bit drivers to 64 bit drivers, and a tigher security model in the operating system's kernel that had many vendors having to rewrite their code.Some of the solutions Vista has provided me with:- No more OOM (64 bit)- 30% higher FPS than on the same hardware running XP 32, could be memory, could be luck, not sure - but I'll take it :)- even higher perf with DX10 although the DX10 engine in FSX has a couple of major bugs in it.I'm very pleased, and well worth the upgrade
An excellent, well balanced, and well written post. I agree wholeheartedly.Microsoft didn't create a crap OS. The hardware vendors and software writers are the ones who probably deserve the heat. Most of the negativity towards Vista stems from the fact that, despite the time they were allocated before Vista's release, the hardware vendors and software writers were slow to provide driver support and software updates for the OS for its release. This caused many users (including so called "IT experts" who write magazine reviews etc) to have some negative experiences with Vista. Which, in turn, lead to the OS receiving some bad press. Press that even now it is struggling to shrug off as many misinformed users, many of whom probably haven't even used Vista to any great extent, continue to "spread the word", chinese whisper style. Was it really any different when XP was released?In short, if your machine is up to spec, if your hardware has Vista driver support, if you understand the reasoning behind things like User Account Control (UAC) and its purpose, and you wish to enjoy the many other benefits that Vista has to offer over XP (some examples quoted by ziporama's post above), then Vista will work for you.I run Vista 32 Ultimate at home and have no issues with it whatsoever. It runs FSX fine. I am very pleased.

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In all honesty,I would say no,Vista is crap anyway and to switch to a 64bit version is not recommended and I work in IT Support and I have vista on my laptop and will be switching back to xp.Vista is crap.Save your money,invest in a better graphics card or ram or motherboard or cpu instead of that.Fullstop.
LOLI've been flirting between XP 32 SP3 and Vista 64 SP1 for a while now, have watched Vista 64 mellow and mature as an OS during this phase, can honestly say hand on heart I'll not ever install XP for an FSX PC ever again, have absolutely zero issues with Vista 64 with FSX now, its a no brainer.I honestly wonder about some of these so called IT Support Guys that slam Vista out of hand?

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LOLI honestly wonder about some of these so called IT Support Guys that slam Vista out of hand?
It's called resistance to change. They do not and/or do not want to understand the Vista OS so its easier to fear and/or spread fear regarding the OS.

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I honestly wonder about some of these so called IT Support Guys that slam Vista out of hand?
It's easier to look impressive to the masses when you slag something off.

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I have Vista 32 on my desktop and and Vista 64 on my laptop. After a year and a half, I am very satisfied and do not wish to go back to any previous OS.

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