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Hi,Anyone using this software package?, if so what do you think. I also noticed the review made no mention of the Level-D 767-300ER airliner, which I find hard to believe, seeing its one of the top Boeing systems extensive addon aircraft for FS9.Anyone using this program with Level-D's 767?.

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Hi Mike. As you know, the MCE review was done by myself and you are correct, the Level-D 767 was not mentioned. That's simply because I don't have that aircraft, and not for any other reason. What I will tell you though is that any aircraft which strays outside of the standard FS SDK parameters is going to have issues with MCE, since that is what it accesses in order to work. So, you can determine for yourself if this is likely to be a problem by either your own knowledge of how the Level-D 767 interfaces with FS, or by simply downloading the MCE demo and trying it out for yourself.The nice thing about MCE is that even if it does not completely gel with an add-on aircraft, there will still be many features of MCE that do work just fine, and one of the reasons why I rated it so highly was because of that. It is intended to allow a user to 'cherry pick' what MCE features they want to use, and since there are so many things it is capable of, even when an add-on aircraft doesn't mesh perfectly with it, it is still usable with that aircraft to some degree. You will notice that the PMDG 747 is shown in the review, and not absolutely everything on the PMDG 747 can be accessed by MCE, but many things still can which as I say, is the nice thing about the product; it may have limited functionality with some things, but there will almost always be some useful MCE feature that can be used regardless of what aircraft you have running.As I stated in the review, the best thing you can do is try it for yourself and see how you get on with it. I daresay there will be some people who don't like it, but I thought it was really great and I'm still using it, which is not something I can say about everything I've ever reviewed.Al

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Hi Al,Thanks, I'll give the demo a try over the weekend. If its capable of releaving some of the workload, it will be an addon I will purchase.Thanks again

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Hi Al,Thanks, I'll give the demo a try over the weekend. If its capable of releaving some of the workload, it will be an addon I will purchase.Thanks again
Mike,Have you looked at FS2Crew for the 767?-kyle

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I'd second the recommendation to look at FS2Crew as well. Interestingly, FS2Crew have mooted the idea of adding voice control to their products too, and given the technology would seem to be reliable enough to support that, it seems likely that they will do so. In the meantime, if you prefer genuinely recorded voices and are not interested in the broader type flexibility MCE offers, but would rather specifically concentrate on the 767 alone, you might find FS2Crew more 'up your street' as it were.I've got several FS2Crew addons; they are very good if you like getting into the minutia of checklists, and as I jokingly pointed out in the MCE review about the amazing list of things it can do not stretching to it being able to make you 'a nice cup of tea', well, FS2Crew can actually do that (granted it's only a picture on the screen) but it does go to show how in depth FS2Crew is when it comes to cabin crew operations :( As I understand it, there is no free demo for FS2Crew, but there sort of is a cheap way to test it. FS2 offer a product for the default FS 747 which is not as expensive as the other FS2 products for fancier add-on aircraft (I seem to recall I paid ten quid for that one). I bought it to essentially audition FS2Crew's products and see if they were any good without paying the higher price of their other stuff. I went on to buy their crew add-on for the Flight 1 ATR-72, which is indicative that even the fairly basic FS2Crew add-on for the default FS 747 was enough to convince me of their worth.Al

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I'd second the recommendation to look at FS2Crew as well. Interestingly, FS2Crew have mooted the idea of adding voice control to their products too, and given the technology would seem to be reliable enough to support that, it seems likely that they will do so.
Actually that's likely about to change. We're strongly looking at adding a voice option for the next version.However, because we know that voice can sometimes be unreliable due to accents, etc., voice will be added in addition to the pre-existing system, which relies on joystick and keypress for the interaction.So that way users can have some choice.Cheers,

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How does MCE interact with ATC? Is it like VoxATC or more like "choose item one, choose item two"? :-)

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Well, you can read my review for the full story, or here's the quick version:1. You can choose item one on the ATC Window by saying 'ATC 1' and it will be as though you selected that with a key like you would normally do.2. You can actually talk to ATC and say what you would in real life, i.e. you can say: 'Speedbird 123 is at runway 26, ready to go.' or some such, and you'll get clearance to take off from the default ATC in FS.3. You can make things a bit easier by not having to get your callsign perfect, so you can be a bit sloppy in what you say.4. You can leave it all up to the co-pilot and you will hear him talking to ATC instead of you having to do so (this is one of the best aspects of MCE actually, because it teaches you what to say simply by virtue of listening to stuff and learning from it)..5. You can do any combination of those above options depending on how lazy you are feeling, i.e. choosing to do it one of those ways does not preclude you from doing it any of the other ways, you always have all those options available to you.6. You can have the ATC window pop up when you get a call and just press the relevant number key like you normally would if not using any voice command.Hope that helps. Try the demo it's great. There's a reason I recommended it for an Avsim gong (i.e it got the Avsim Gold Star award) - and that is simply because it deserved it.Al

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Is it possible to configure this so that only ATC and the Co-pilot's voices are heard through the earphones while all other aircraft sounds are heard through the speakers? I have downloaded the demo and am not having success in accomplishing this. Jim D.

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The synthetic voice is absolutely awful, even compared to IYP. It sounds like a robot on stereoids *g*.

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Is it possible to configure this so that only ATC and the Co-pilot's voices are heard through the earphones while all other aircraft sounds are heard through the speakers? I have downloaded the demo and am not having success in accomplishing this. Jim D.
P.S. I haven't been able to get this to work yet either. Is a second sound card necessary to accomplish what I want to do, or is the MB sound card sufficient? Instructions seem to indicate that a separate sound card is required.

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Well, you can read my review for the full story, or here's the quick version:1. You can choose item one on the ATC Window by saying 'ATC 1' and it will be as though you selected that with a key like you would normally do.2. You can actually talk to ATC and say what you would in real life, i.e. you can say: 'Speedbird 123 is at runway 26, ready to go.' or some such, and you'll get clearance to take off from the default ATC in FS.3. You can make things a bit easier by not having to get your callsign perfect, so you can be a bit sloppy in what you say.4. You can leave it all up to the co-pilot and you will hear him talking to ATC instead of you having to do so (this is one of the best aspects of MCE actually, because it teaches you what to say simply by virtue of listening to stuff and learning from it)..5. You can do any combination of those above options depending on how lazy you are feeling, i.e. choosing to do it one of those ways does not preclude you from doing it any of the other ways, you always have all those options available to you.6. You can have the ATC window pop up when you get a call and just press the relevant number key like you normally would if not using any voice command.Hope that helps. Try the demo it's great. There's a reason I recommended it for an Avsim gong (i.e it got the Avsim Gold Star award) - and that is simply because it deserved it.Al
Al,I've tried all of this with the default Cessna in FS9 and just couldn't get all of it to work. Could not do item #'s 2, 3, 4, some of 5. So I'm giving up on this for now. Glad I didn't pay the license fee. I'm a little surprised that there hasn't been more postings here.Jim D.

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Thought I would update this thread as regards my case with MCE.The support group at MCS has been helping out with some suggestions. They were kind enough to extend my trial period so that I might implement the ideas presented. So I'm going to start over with this and see if I can get it to work as I imagine it should, or at least to a reasonable degree.Will post my results here.Jim D.

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Well, ATC in Cessna still doesn't work for me. No matter what I say, no matter what I try.I'll give you a rundown of the things I do:1) Load the Cessna (callsign RAL001) to start up cold and dark in LOWW, parked. No flight plan.2) Go through all the procedures, start engine and radios.3) Manually tune to Vienna Ground.4) Saying one of these sentences with the space bar depressed:"Vienna Ground, Cessna Romeo Alpha Lima Zero Zero One, ready for takeoff, depart straight out" (or requesting takeoff - in all cases)"Ground, Cessna Romeo Alpha Lima Zero Zero One, ready for takeoff, depart straight out""Vienna Ground, Cessna, ready for takeoff, depart straight out""Ground, Cessna, ready for takeoff, depart straight out"No matter if I have the ATC window opened or closed, nothing happens.I press the "talk" key, talk, release it.When I do the same with the boeing:1) Load the Boeing (callsign 101) enignes running. No flight plan.3) Manually tune to Vienna Ground.4) Saying:"Vienna Ground, Boeing, ready for takeoff, depart straight out"5) The Co tunes to the ground frequency again, although it is already tuned. (!!!!)6) Saying again:"Vienna Ground, Boeing, ready for takeoff, depart straight out"I get permision to taxi then.It seems that MCE doesn't like me tuning to ground myself. Since the Cessna has no co, it looks like this is the cause of the problem. Am I right? or what am I doing wrong. I am desperately seeking a way to get ATC working with planes that offer no co.

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I've only been using it with airliners just recently, where it is a big help, but I did test it with GA aircraft for the review I did and it worked okay when I did that. I know that does not help you if it aint working for you.I'll try it with the default Cessna in a while and mess with all the settings to see if anything screws up how it works and let you know what happens.Al

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I've only been using it with airliners just recently, where it is a big help, but I did test it with GA aircraft for the review I did and it worked okay when I did that. I know that does not help you if it aint working for you.I'll try it with the default Cessna in a while and mess with all the settings to see if anything screws up how it works and let you know what happens.Al
Thanks, I appreciate. I'll try different things myself today, maybe I am just plain dumb *g*

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Okay, just to prove I really did try it earlier on in FS9 with a Cessna, here's a screenshot:CessnaATC.jpgYou might be experiencing something that occasionally I've found with MCE, and that is that you'll notice the 'Accurate Callsign Required' tickbox is not checked, indicating that I should be able to get away with fairly sloppy ATC, but that can be a bit bit squiffy and so it is usually better to try and use the right call sign anyway. It did work here, I used the Callsign 'Cessna Zero Zero Mike Sierra' in that screenshot and you can see that I've just got take of clearance doing that from the fact that the ATC window says 'no message to transmit'. and I did tune the radio myself manually by clicking the radio window with the mouse.Here's another trick to try that sometimes unjams things if that does not work; with the ATC window open (which you can open by saying 'show ATC'), don't press your transmit button and then say 'ATC 1' and see if it kicks MCE into life by choosing whatever ATC option 1 is (if you have 'use pilot voice' selected in the FS preferences, you'll hear it), then you could turn that off if it annoys you and you want to do the talking yourself. I normally tell the co-pilot to set flaps 5 when an airliner flight starts, just to see if he responds, and if not, then I'll select an ATC option the way I just mentioned and it seems to kick things into gear, although to be fair to MCE, it normally works right off the bat for me.Hope that helps.Al

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Al,I have tried your suggestions and still unable to voice communicate with ATC. If I say "Option (whatever)" I get the response. Accurate call sign box not checked. Used same Cessna. Calling up ATC window works.I'm using Microsoft Lifechat 3000 earphones and mike, usb connection. Are you using a separate sound car perhaps? I'm using the on board one. Again, all other commands are responed to though. Also, how do you have the MCE window open when in full screen mode? I have the auto hide box unchecked, and yet I am unable to access the MCE window in full window mode. Even in windowed mode the box reduces itself in size but does stay on the screen, not so in full window mode.Also, what are your settings in the voice and sounds panel in Control panel? I have Lifechat 1000 by MS. I don't know if this could be the problem, but doubt it since all other commands receive a response.Thanks,Jim D.

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Good day.To Mr. Chock:I have read your review and seen the video + videos posted by the dev's.What I really would like to know (and see in a video) is the running of checklists. Is the voice as robotic when it has a whole sentence to chew out, as oposed to the way the voice handles multible words that it combines in a split second.What I mean is, checlists are sentences that have been put together or does the program still search for words and put them together like a robot??The other thing I would like to know: Do you know how well MCE handles/plays with the PSS 777 & 757?? According to your review, MCE glues well together with the PSS Concorde, so I was hoping that the PSS Boeings would be a dream with the MCE program. I am looking for a realistic and interactive checklist function with the PSS Boeings, since I've given up hope for a FS2Crew version for either of those birds.Thanks in advance.Golli.

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Mmm, sounds like you are having big problems. I would suggest contact the MCE devs with some questions or you could try here: http://rainbird.heavenforum.com/mce-general-discussion-f2/That being a forum where a lot of MCE questions get answered. I won't pretend to be an expert on all aspects of MCE, I did review it for Avsim, but I daresay the product developers will be better placed to answer any really specific issues where hardware might be concerned and if you come across someone on that forum with hardware similar to your own, obviously they'll be able to have a better shot at advising you on settings. I do know that there are specific versions of MCE for various operating systems and there is a new patch out too apparently, although I've not installed that patch as yet but I think I'll give it a look out of curiosity even though MCE seems to work okay for me at the moment..Some of your questions I certainly can answer though. I tried MCE with both a PCI soundcard (Muse) and built in motherboard sound, and it worked with both, but now I am using the on board sound on my ASUS motherboard because I prefer to keep stuff minimal on the motherboard and so I removed the soundcard. Headset connection is via two normal small pink/green headphone jacks into the motherboard inputs, rather than USB, and using Realtek HD audio input and output on the PC control panel settings, with nothing particularly out of the ordinary on any other settings.The headset I am using is nothing fancy either. Incidentally, I did try using a desk mike too when reviewing MCE, but that does not work very well in practical terms, so I reverted to a headset and in actual fact my headset went on the blink (lost the left channel in the headset) whilst I was reviewing MCE and so I bought the ones I have now which are nothing fancy at all (I've honestly no clue what brand they are because I can't read the text on the logo they have on them and it's not one I've ever heard of), but they seem to work pretty well all the same. so it's my opinion that you don't need the world's greatest hardware to have it work okay, but it is worth it to train up your voice a couple of times with the MCE utility to get it to work pretty faultlessly.To get the MCE control panel to show up in full screen mode you can do one of two things: either say 'show control panel' and it should pop up, but if it does not, alt tab out of FS and in your PC's system tray you will see an option to force MCE to the front view if you click on the MCE icon.EDIT; @ Golli - I would try out the demo for yourself if I were you ( http://www.multicrewxp.com/index.html ) then you will know for yourself if it works how you would want it to. I have not got either the PSS 757 or the 777 so I really couldn't say how it gels with either of them. The voices you hear when running the checklists are based on whatever SAPI-compliant voice packs you have installed on your computer, so they could be good or bad depending on your point of view and what you have installed and selected. Personally I don't mind the default voices but I know a lot of people don't like them, so it's really a personal preference, but by default if you have no other voice packs installed, then yes, they will be the robotic standard 'MS Mike' 'MS Mary' etc type voices.Al

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Thanks Al;I have been in contact with the developers and those manning the rainbird site. Up til now no solutions have been found. I'll probably try a pin version headphone just to eliminate any doubt that the issue is with USB.Jim D.

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I haven't solved the problem, but I found out WHAT is wrong:MCE distorts my callsing internally. If I have a callsign "Lima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero One", MCE shows it as "Lima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero OneLima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero One" or even "ne Lima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero OneLima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero One" in ist program window. It doesn't depend on whcih plane I use - even one I frehsly installed shows this anomaly. Sometimes, the callsign will not be displayed doubled, but tripled. Sometimes, only parts o fit show up, mixed with a text string that was part of a text shown in FSX. This might also change within a single flight. The only plane that seems to work in part is the stock 737 with callsign "Boeing" - this is the only callsign displayed (no flight number, nothing).When I use a plane with a co-pilot and ask him about the callsign, he says: "Sure: Lima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero OneLima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero One". And when I ask him to communicate with ground, he says: "Lima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero OneLima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero One request request taxi, departing straight out." Note that he actually says "request" two times!On the other hand, a call sign "NVD223R" on a Carenado was interpreted as "November Viktor". So somtehing seems to be screwed up big time internally. Here

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I just received this email from the FS++ support team. Seems you hit on the problem. Contact them so as to obtain the update.Jim D.Email received: Hi, Nothing is wrong with your mike. You will probably be pleased to hear that we have identified a potential problem with Call-sign for non-airline types. It has now been fixed. You need to download the up to date package by going to the FTP site given to you earlier Please uninstall MCE first. This package should really get your ATC on Cessna sorted. Note: Because there is no co-pilot available on Cessna, nobody will remind you whether you got your call sign wrong. And if call-sign is wrong, your transmission will be rejected. So here is a reminder Let's assume your call sign is Cessna Lima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero One ( for aircraft registration: LAR001) Here is a list of acceptable call-signs Cessna Lima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero OneLima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero OneCessna Zero Zero One You can find out about your exact call-sign by looking at the "ATC" tab in user interface. Let us know as soon as you have downloadedRegards, The FS++ team

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I just received this email from the FS++ support team. Seems you hit on the problem. Contact them so as to obtain the update.Jim D.Email received: Hi, Nothing is wrong with your mike. You will probably be pleased to hear that we have identified a potential problem with Call-sign for non-airline types. It has now been fixed. You need to download the up to date package by going to the FTP site given to you earlier Please uninstall MCE first. This package should really get your ATC on Cessna sorted. Note: Because there is no co-pilot available on Cessna, nobody will remind you whether you got your call sign wrong. And if call-sign is wrong, your transmission will be rejected. So here is a reminder Let's assume your call sign is Cessna Lima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero One ( for aircraft registration: LAR001) Here is a list of acceptable call-signs Cessna Lima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero OneLima Alpha Romeo Zero Zero OneCessna Zero Zero One You can find out about your exact call-sign by looking at the "ATC" tab in user interface. Let us know as soon as you have downloadedRegards, The FS++ team
yep, received the update, fixed the problem for me. I am really impressed by their service.

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