jut one final thing i need for fs9, and its to get an alternative to the default atc from fs9 which sucks. ive always been curious about radarcontact but ive heard what the voice's sound liek on some youtube clicks and they sound horrible. anyone got this product?and i was thinking of getting an add on traffic program, sommit like ultimate traffic or similar. and was wondering. would this replace the default atc too or is it just for traffic? i use the pmdg 747 mostly and fsbuild to build my flight plans. problem is you build your flight plan start flyinhg and atc tells you to go a totally different route 99.99999 percent of times. thankyou....

jut one final thing i need for fs9, and its to get an alternative to the default atc from fs9 which sucks. ive always been curious about radarcontact but ive heard what the voice's sound liek on some youtube clicks and they sound horrible. anyone got this product?and i was thinking of getting an add on traffic program, sommit like ultimate traffic or similar. and was wondering. would this replace the default atc too or is it just for traffic? i use the pmdg 747 mostly and fsbuild to build my flight plans. problem is you build your flight plan start flyinhg and atc tells you to go a totally different route 99.99999 percent of times. thankyou....

I use PFE (Pro flight emulator) The voices are certainly much better. Both programmes take some getting used and have their idiosyncrasies. Even so way better than the default FS9 ATC.Vololiberista

Ultimate traffic's models aren't exactly optimized for performance, and it shows. I use World of AI's stuff (some may remember a controversial thread related to that). But in the end, Ultimate traffic is a good addon.

jut one final thing i need for fs9, and its to get an alternative to the default atc from fs9 which sucks. ive always been curious about radarcontact but ive heard what the voice's sound liek on some youtube clicks and they sound horrible. anyone got this product?and i was thinking of getting an add on traffic program, sommit like ultimate traffic or similar. and was wondering. would this replace the default atc too or is it just for traffic? i use the pmdg 747 mostly and fsbuild to build my flight plans. problem is you build your flight plan start flyinhg and atc tells you to go a totally different route 99.99999 percent of times. thankyou....

Be aware in real life, many times ATC must alter your route for different reasons. If i file a flight plane with default ATC they usually leave me alone for most of the plan. The only areas they don't recognize is the SIDS/STARS, but from what I've read, in real life, there are many times where you're vectors away from your initial STARS anyways.

As red1 said, when you are on approach, in real life ATC must handle with many things. You are not only one who want to land. So they don't care, much, for your flight plan.

yes i kno that i know that atc can tell a plane to turn a different heading and off your flight plan but will usualy bring you back to that flight plan after the sid or w/e. with default atc atc is guiding you al lthe way on atcs flight plan, not urs.

Add-on packages like Ultimate Traffic supply schedules, routes (flight plans), and models for AI traffic, check each one's features. Many also have an upgraded afcad layer for default airports to add parking to increase ground traffic. Be careful they do not add an enabled afcad layer that could conflict with one supplied with an add-on scenery. They do not supply an ATC function.To use SIDs (DPs) for departure and STARs for arrival the waypoints need to be in your flight plan for most ATC programs to recognize them and if you are using an FMC SID or STAR to attempt to synchronize with them. ATC generally will fly part of these but then use vectors for departure to join a SID or break away from a STAR on arrival for required traffic or local terrain requirements. The methods vary by ATC jurisdiction of the country location.Radar Contact has an option to fly an IAP which lets you solely navigate on your own once in approach jurisdiction so you can fly a complete STAR. Generally a STAR is flown until about 40 nm from the destination airport at which point you'll start getting vectors. RC for departure follows similar rules. If your first waypoint is at or within 30 nm you will be expected to navigate your own departure to reach that waypoint. If your first waypoint is further out you'll get vectors to line you up with it and resume your own navigation. You can also opt to navigate on your own to that first waypoint.Some of the You-Tube videos had a poor representation of RC voices according to other postings. RC voices are phrases recorded by real people and are assembled during flight as needed. Those that are being received are "radioized" to sound like comm receivers. There is a freeware replacement voice library from an author with a "meatwater" user name that some people prefer. RC version 4.3 did have some voice tempo improvements and also allows the user to control delivery tempo for each voice.RC was the first add-on ATC package I used from back in FS8 and was satisfied so I limited myself to that. I later was invited to become a beta tester for it toward the end of the RC 4 development. If you are interested in RC4 click on my tag below to take you to the product site. You can read a comparison feature list between FS ATC and RC and also download the version 4.3 manual too browse. You'll find the tutorials in apply not just only to RC but controlled flight and ATC interaction in general. You can also browse the Radar Contact forum here on AVSIM.In essence I think you first need a traffic add-on to give realistic traffic for you to interact with. Try that with FS ATC especially at dense traffic airports. Following that investigate the various ATC products that might improve your flying experience. I also suggest you look into a different flight planner for your own routes. Many have built in SID/STAR databases that closely match actual routes flown and if you incorporate their auto-routing they will be included when applicable. You can also incorporate them manually. If you are using an aircraft with an FMC look at those planners that can export a plan to FS9 and the FMC at the same time. This will allow ATC to keep in sync with your desired route when controlled by it.

yes i kno that i know that atc can tell a plane to turn a different heading and off your flight plan but will usualy bring you back to that flight plan after the sid or w/e. with default atc atc is guiding you al lthe way on atcs flight plan, not urs.

I don't really understand your point.With Flight Simulator's built-in ATC, you can create your flight plan by whatever route you choose. If you follow it, you will not be bothered by ATC (except for hand-offs) until you receive your landing instructions. It will only pester you when you wander off course.It might not be exactly like the real thing, but it works well and I think to say it "sucks" is a bit excessive for it is an extremely complicated and clever feature of Flight Simulator. Most annoyances are caused by users who do not navigate themselves properly.As far as alternatives are concerned, to the best of my knowledge none are able to interact with the AI traffic but only with the user's aircraft.John

As far as alternatives are concerned, to the best of my knowledge none are able to interact with the AI traffic but only with the user's aircraft.John

Multi-Crew Experience interacts with the default ATC and with the AI aircraft. It too is not perfect, but I'm working with it. They give you a trial period of the full program.http://www.multicrewxp.com/Buy.htmlJim D.

I don't really understand your point.With Flight Simulator's built-in ATC, you can create your flight plan by whatever route you choose. If you follow it, you will not be bothered by ATC (except for hand-offs) until you receive your landing instructions. It will only pester you when you wander off course.It might not be exactly like the real thing, but it works well and I think to say it "sucks" is a bit excessive for it is an extremely complicated and clever feature of Flight Simulator. Most annoyances are caused by users who do not navigate themselves properly.As far as alternatives are concerned, to the best of my knowledge none are able to interact with the AI traffic but only with the user's aircraft.John

im talking about building a flight plan on fsbuild, not in fs9, then sending it to the pmdg 747 fmc. default fs9 atc does not work injunction with this flight plan. ive heard radar contact does. for example, if i fly IFR on fs9, and follow my flight plan, atc is alwasy gonna give me vectors to follow its flight plan, and not mine, even thoug hi know in the real world and hopefulyl on some good atc programs, you wont be following your lfight plan exatly. when i mean sucks, i mean you cant really use atc IFR with something like a flight plan built using fsbuild.

im talking about building a flight plan on fsbuild, not in fs9, then sending it to the pmdg 747 fmc. default fs9 atc does not work injunction with this flight plan. ive heard radar contact does. for example, if i fly IFR on fs9, and follow my flight plan, atc is alwasy gonna give me vectors to follow its flight plan, and not mine, even thoug hi know in the real world and hopefulyl on some good atc programs, you wont be following your lfight plan exatly. when i mean sucks, i mean you cant really use atc IFR with something like a flight plan built using fsbuild.

MSFS ATC accepts the fsbuild built flightplan just fine. You're either not exporting it into MSFS or you're not loading it from the flightplan menu. Read the manual that comes with FSBuild. You need to go into the options and make sure you've pointed it towards the MSFS flightplans folder for proper export. The MSFS ATC actually works very well and covers most of the situations that you as an IFR pilot will face. As part of the fabric of the MSFS world and AI, I think that it is much more realistic to use the MSFS ATC.

I have found that flight plans from fsbuild do indeed work fairly well with the default ATC, but it is a process to make that happen. After you have setup your flight plan and imported it to the PMDG files where they are needed for the FMC, and into the FS folders for letting ATC know what the plan is, which is set up in the fsbuild export facility, you then open your flight simulator. While setting up your flight plan by clicking the find route button, the FS will always show the default plan first. This is a step that usually aggravates some users. This as shown will rarely if ever show what your flight plan you developed. Click on the find route button again and voila, you have your own flight plan. Again, as pointed out previously and in other posts, The flight simulator does not supports Sids and Stars, so ATC will vector you out and in. There are times when it can be a convoluted route do to a myriad of reasons, but the ATC will eventually get you to your route. The same thing happens when vectoring you in for final. ATC will rarely if ever vector you in on the Star you have chosen. But it will get you lined up with the final approach. You can either choose to re enter in the FMC as you go, or follow ATC and when you turn to final everything gets picked up by the FMC as if you had it planned that way to begin with, and skips the waypoints you originally had on the star route. In the real world this can happen often usually due to traffic flow, and wind changes. I have been on many flights where the aircraft has been set up to land on one runway as close as 40 miles out, then diverted to either another runway or the opposite end of the runway you were originally set up on, due to shifts in wind usually.The default ATC is rather lame in many respects, but it is workable, if you take the steps required to make it work.Hope this adds a little you your enjoymentJohn

The flight simulator does not supports Sids and Stars, so ATC will vector you out and in. There are times when it can be a convoluted route do to a myriad of reasons, but the ATC will eventually get you to your route. The same thing happens when vectoring you in for final. ATC will rarely if ever vector you in on the Star you have chosen. But it will get you lined up with the final approach. You can either choose to re enter in the FMC as you go, or follow ATC and when you turn to final everything gets picked up by the FMC as if you had it planned that way to begin with, and skips the waypoints you originally had on the star route. In the real world this can happen often usually due to traffic flow, and wind changes.

I've never understood why people say the MSFS ATC does not have SIDS and STARs. SIDS and STARs are nothing but routes on your flightplan. They are no different than an airway. If you have the points that belong to a SID or STAR route as part of your flightplan whether it was laboriously built point by point in the default flightplan planner or smartly built in FSBuild, then the MSFS ATC will expect you to fly those points.The basic operations of the MSFS ATC is that after a takeoff, it vectors you towards your first point on your flightplan, and then it expects you to navigate your plan on your own. If you don't know how to navigate on your own and end up going a certain distance off course, then it starts vectoring you again back onto the course you had given it in the flightplanner. Once you get within 50-100 miles from your destination, depending on how much other AI traffic is vying for the airport, it will take you off the route and begin vectoring you for final approach. This is exactly what happens 90% of the time in real life. And even if you wanted to fly your own nav all the way through the route into IAF and transition on your own for the approach, you can do that by just telling the ATC that you want to change the approach and you will get a menu of options. The only place the MSFS ATC can't simulate well is a departure from an airport that is not under radar coverage where you rely on a DP to own nav your way out, because it does always want to give you that vector towards the first fix.Loading a flightplan built in FSBuild is as easy as opening a file. Once you have set up FSBuild to export into MSFS, which is what you should have done as you first bought and installed the program, all you have to do is go into the MSFS flightplanner and click on load and then find the flightplan built by FSBuild and then double click on that. There's no need to go throuhg the find route process and have MSFS build its own in the flightplanner. That doesn't make any sense.

One thing not clearly mentioned is that when FS Build and perhaps some other planners when exporting to the FS flight plan folder in your personal folder expands any SIDs or STARs named to individual waypoints in that FS9 .pln file. You therefore don't need to manually enter terminal procedure waypoints within FS9.Stated previously you have the option of exporting the FSB plan into many FMC operated aircraft so after departure vectoring and before arrival vectoring ATC will be in sync with your avionics for AP coupled navigation. Some GPS types import these plans as well with the same benefit. Imported flightplan waypoints need not necessarily be in an avionics data base because the imported flightplan provides waypoint names (which should display in the avionics) and their coordinates.Another thing I like about FSB is the ability to paste in a route from flightaware.com into FSB's route box. Sometimes a SID or STAR version number needs to be changed but generally it works. At this time current or nearly current AIRACS are downloadable at no charge from fsbuild.com.

ok thankyou all for the replies i had no idea that you could load a flight plan from fsbuild into fs9 and it would routw it out etc. i will try this when i get home. =) kiss's for you alland another question. are there any downlaods so that you can change some of the atcs accents etc. liek have german or french accents when flying form / into germany france etc. ?