March 11, 201016 yr take a look. Paul sheather PC win7 64bit i7 960 oc 3.80 gtx 470x2 SLI 8gig ram PMDG MD11 737NG 747-400 747-800 JS41 B1900 CS 727 757 767 C130 AEROSOFT A320-1 TWIN OTTER FSD PORTER SENECA WARBIRDSIM P51B CARENADO C208 C206 CERA BELL212 FLIGHT1 ATR Active sky ASA
March 11, 201016 yr Amazing!Look at the wing flex in this one... George Golas ---------------------- I hate gravity!
March 11, 201016 yr Author thats a great one as well. its amazing to see how much give the wings have. Paul sheather PC win7 64bit i7 960 oc 3.80 gtx 470x2 SLI 8gig ram PMDG MD11 737NG 747-400 747-800 JS41 B1900 CS 727 757 767 C130 AEROSOFT A320-1 TWIN OTTER FSD PORTER SENECA WARBIRDSIM P51B CARENADO C208 C206 CERA BELL212 FLIGHT1 ATR Active sky ASA
March 11, 201016 yr wow judging by the wingflex they must have been almost running on fumes when arriving! Probably came in from Anchorage or the looooong flight from LAX
March 11, 201016 yr See how that FedEx MD-11 is pitching up and down? It's from that wee little horizontal stablizier... what a terrible design flaw.I love flying this plane in a simulator, but would be terrified to have to land it "for real" in winds like that... those MD-11 drivers have real cojones. - William Ruppel, CYTZ, VATSIM 816871
March 11, 201016 yr what a terrible design flawI doubt it, it was a perfect landing, wasn't it? Crosswinds are a fact of life in Corpus Christi, most Navy pilots get their wings here (not all). My problem is on days with winds right down the runway or no winds. I've got no practice in those conditions. Dan Downs KCRP
March 11, 201016 yr I think he may have meant a bad "Re-design" flaw? There were changes to the MD-11's tail to give it better range and speed. To get what they wanted they had to reduce the size of the tail. So by reducing the horizontal stab it reduces the pitch authority and stabilization in general I guess, which has been one of the leading topics in some near crashes and I believe was the main thing under investigation or talked about in the Tokyo crash. FedEx has I think more MD-11's than any other 1 company and they have had a few close calls documented I guess due to this change.That being said, out of 200 built and having 180 still hitting the skies every day is a pretty good track record I would think for any aircraft.By the way, my memory isn't that good to resite that info, I got most of it from this video I've had bookmarked for a long time :( i9 10920x @ 4.8 ~ MSI Creator x299 ~ 256 Gb 3600 G.Skill Trident Z Royal ~ EVGA RTX 3090ti ~ Sim drive = M.2 2-TB ~ OS drive = M.2 is 512-gb ~ 5 other Samsung Pro/Evo mix SSD's ~ EVGA 1600w ~ Win 10 Pro Dan Prunier
March 11, 201016 yr See how that FedEx MD-11 is pitching up and down? It's from that wee little horizontal stablizier... what a terrible design flaw.I love flying this plane in a simulator, but would be terrified to have to land it "for real" in winds like that... those MD-11 drivers have real cojones.That "wee little" stabilizer isn't undersized, nor does it represent a design flaw. Unfortunately the Narita crash last year caused a resurgence of the too-small stabilizer claims. The stabilizer was reduced in size relative to the dc-10 due to the longer lever arm (longer fusealge) as well as the added trim tanks located therein. The aircraft may have its particular traits, but that doesn't make it unique in the industry in any sense. The 744F seen in the first video is clearly showing constant and sometimes major control inputs, but this doesn't represent a shortcoming either. Dan Dominik "I thought you said your dog does not bite.... That's not my dog."
March 11, 201016 yr Exactly, large pitch changes are not unusual in a highly variable wind environment. The proof is his finesse in putting in on first one main then the other without slaming on the nose in the face of the gust loads. I thought it was very nicely done. Dan Downs KCRP
March 11, 201016 yr If the aircraft was not pitching up and down, that would maybe indicate the stabiliser was too small. The fact that it is, from control inputs by the pilot, demonstrates that it has plenty of control authority still left at approach speed. It is certainly not unusual to be pitching up and down in a tricky landing with a wind gradient, as you need to keep adjusting the speed by tweaking the pitch as you descend through the wind gradient. In such circumstances, you keep a lot of speed on, to be sure you maintain adequate flying speed if the wind drops, so playing around with the pitch to keep the speed as stable as you can is not at all unusual since with so much inertia, you need quite a big input to make a change.The redesign from the DC-10's larger horizontal stabiliser was partly a necessity because it actually had too much authority, which damaged the airframes of one or two DC-10s by over-stressing them. If recall correctly, I think the main spar on a DC-10 was fractured because of that issue.Al Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
March 12, 201016 yr Author here is a video to prove that all can pitch in heavy winds. Paul sheather PC win7 64bit i7 960 oc 3.80 gtx 470x2 SLI 8gig ram PMDG MD11 737NG 747-400 747-800 JS41 B1900 CS 727 757 767 C130 AEROSOFT A320-1 TWIN OTTER FSD PORTER SENECA WARBIRDSIM P51B CARENADO C208 C206 CERA BELL212 FLIGHT1 ATR Active sky ASA
March 12, 201016 yr Sometimes you don't need hardly any runway at all lolhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfeMLQNe57EJohn Ellison
March 12, 201016 yr Sometimes you don't need hardly any runway at all lolhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfeMLQNe57EJohn EllisonHaha, that's awesome. I've seen helicopters need more area than that. It almost reminds me of watching how little rwy a huge (near empty) C5 Galaxy needs to take off. i9 10920x @ 4.8 ~ MSI Creator x299 ~ 256 Gb 3600 G.Skill Trident Z Royal ~ EVGA RTX 3090ti ~ Sim drive = M.2 2-TB ~ OS drive = M.2 is 512-gb ~ 5 other Samsung Pro/Evo mix SSD's ~ EVGA 1600w ~ Win 10 Pro Dan Prunier
March 12, 201016 yr Guys, I made my comment about the stabilizer because of this article:http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq9.htm - William Ruppel, CYTZ, VATSIM 816871
March 12, 201016 yr Commercial Member Guys, I made my comment about the stabilizer because of this article:http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq9.htm I think I've seen that link a hundred times, it's funny that no one seems to mention the 737 rudder hardover issue anymore.... Rob Prest
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