Wrong. That is because it is ethical.Would you buy a Rolls-Royce made in 2005 with 0 miles on her at the same price of a 2010 Rolls with 0 miles on that one?brando

Because that's how the market values them.

Wrong. That is because it is ethical.

ethical? no one needs FS to live. there is no i have to have with FS. it is a hobby. ethical pricing relates to must have items. say medical care and food.

Would you buy a Rolls-Royce made in 2005 with 0 miles on her at the same price of a 2010 Rolls with 0 miles on that one?

some would ... and this is free market. a RR is a luxury item (see above). if you have the disposable income to by a RR and REALLY like 2005 models over the 2010 you may pay 'the same as' to get your model of choice.--

Wrong. That is because it is ethical.Would you buy a Rolls-Royce made in 2005 with 0 miles on her at the same price of a 2010 Rolls with 0 miles on that one?brando

The more you most the more you show a lack of understanding of even the basics of the free market.A supplier offers products at a price it choses and the public decide whether or not to buy at that price. If enough people buy at that price to satisfy the supplier then that's its fair market price. A supplier tries to aim for the price that maximises its revenue (unit price * number of units sold). It doesn't always succeed because it may not have sufficient information about the demand curve but it'll make the best guess it can. If it realises it can put the price up and incease revenue - ie the product was under-priced - then that's what it will do. There's no ethics involved, particularly in the case of flight simulator which is a luxury item. The supplier offers to sell at a price and the public collectively decides how many it is prepared to buy at that price. Everything else is sold on that basis in a free market so why should flight simulator be different?What basis do you suggest for pricing add-ons - at a price you personally are prepared to pay?

I find it fascinating that certain developers think that the flight-sim add-on market is in a class all its' very own whereby if anyone dares to question pricing, it is as if they are questioning someone's religion.Your sly little remark on other high quality 737NG products is interesting. Why? Well, a day is coming where there will be a new add-on company that will launch out of the simulated blue sky whereby Boeing, Air Force, and experimental aircraft will be available at a level of quality beyond what PMDG puts out there. The price? Freeware. ETA: 18 months.The comparison of Nascar is interesting...However let's talk airplanes here. What do you think the cost is of a 2003 B738 versus a 2008 B738 is with TT and Cycles being almost the same?brandoAgain, Is feelThere increasing prices on its older software?brando

You are missing the point. 1. PMDG is the only current creator of 737 software for the FS series. 2. The 737 is one of the most popular aircraft for FS therefore a higher fidelity recreation of it commands a higher price. 3. The Feelthere ERJ, while a very nice add-on, is not depicting an aircraft as prevalent or as well known as the 737. So, again, you make an invalid comparison. 4. Nascar Racing 2003 is a computer game. It can go for anywhere from $100 - $500 used. Why? It is known for being one of the best Nascar racing games of all time. Nascar, as a sport, is still rated as the #1 sport on television many times throughout the season. This is one of the reasons the games that simulate it can command a higher price, when done correctly (which is what Papyrus did when they created it). PMDG 737 - Only real quality 737 add-on. See the connection?5. Your comparison between two different aircraft is another invalid comparison. You are comparing equipment that has depreciation to software that does not. The PMDG 737 cannot depreciate in value because it is the only one (yes, I am leaving Ariane out of this). Call my reference to the PMDG 737 being the only real quality 737 a sly little remark, or a fact, whichever you prefer. What I stated is true. Another developer may be releasing a 737, but PMDG is already known for it's quality across multiple add-ons and time in the development market. Therefore, it will still command a higher price unless that other group can do what they have done, or better, for as long as they have. PMDG has respect from the community because they have earned it through their work. Another group can come along and claim to have better, claim to offer more, and ultimately charge more, but that doesn't mean they will get it. You seem to be associating "new" with higher cost, and that simply cannot be done. Do I need to mention Ariane again?You seem to lack the basic understanding of capitalism, free markets, and basic economics. Not a dig on you at all so please don't take it that way, but it is important to understand these things so you are able to apply these concepts.

I too bought the retail version of the PMDG 747 for $30, so while it may be unusual to find it at retail at that price or even list, it is possible. As for the price, see how much Alphasim charges for their aircraft (eg. the C17 that doesn't even have a VC is priced at $60). Somehow I doubt it's anywhere near PMDG quality.

I too bought the retail version of the PMDG 747 for $30, so while it may be unusual to find it at retail at that price or even list, it is possible.

But that's the issue, you have to 'find' it at the retail price. It takes some time before a FS addon product goes retail (which most don't).Download is going to be more convient, that is where the more knowledgable simmer is going to purchase. Because ifthey want it, they aren't going to wait until it goes retail. Retail is mostly going to attract the guy browsing in the store who barely even uses FSX, but see's a cool looking 747 on box on the shelf. Regards.Ernie.

1. PMDG is the only current creator of 737 software for the FS series.

nope.multiple payware developers and distributers of 737 aircraft. there more than three for the NGs. less than three for the classics. i can't think of a payware 737-2 or -1. the freeware tinmouse 737-200 is top notch!--

... Retail is mostly going to attract the guy browsing in the store who barely even uses FSX, but see's a cool looking 747 on box on the shelf. Regards.Ernie.

In this case, the price was what caught my eye. I knew it normally cost about double that, either for a download or shipped on disc.

nope.multiple payware developers and distributers of 737 aircraft. there more than three for the NGs. less than three for the classics. i can't think of a payware 737-2 or -1. the freeware tinmouse 737-200 is top notch!--

That's sort of my point, Scoob. None of the others are of the quality of the PMDG offering. There are 3 NGs, and I can't think of any off the top of my head except for the PMDG 737 (and the Ariane, which I know of because of the cost). That's why PMDG can sell their products at the amount they do. They are currently selling the product at that price point because of their quality and lack of competition. The fact that they are still selling for that amout is the only proof I need to really prove my point.If they were unable to sell it for the price they do than they would not keep it at that price (outside of Ariane, which I just can't explain. LOL).

But that's the issue, you have to 'find' it at the retail price. It takes some time before a FS addon product goes retail (which most don't).Download is going to be more convient, that is where the more knowledgable simmer is going to purchase. Because ifthey want it, they aren't going to wait until it goes retail. Retail is mostly going to attract the guy browsing in the store who barely even uses FSX, but see's a cool looking 747 on box on the shelf. Regards.Ernie.

I have found a copy of the PMDG 747X "Queen of the Skies" at the last 2 Best Buy stores I have been too (and I live in a smaller city). Fry's Electronics also seems to sell quite a few FS Add-ons. Outside of the the PMDG 747, the only add-on I have seen at Best Buy is the Flight Deck series and the Aerosoft F-16 (our Best Buy even selles FS2002!!)

That's sort of my point, Scoob. None of the others are of the quality of the PMDG offering. ... They are currently selling the product at that price point

you and i agree that PMDG can choose their price.you and i disagree that PMDG's 737 is the 'only' and 'best'. there are many 737 NGs, a few 737 classics, and only a limited number of 737 -100's and -200s available.--

you and i agree that PMDG can choose their price.you and i disagree that PMDG's 737 is the 'only' and 'best'. there are many 737 NGs, a few 737 classics, and only a limited number of 737 -100's and -200s available.--

I am not referring to any of the classic 737's, I am referring to the NG series. If there are "many" 737 NGs, I am assuming you feel rival PMDG's quality or they would have no point in this conversation, who makes them (honest question)? I really can't think of any.

Are you a theoretical micro-economics teacher? You are using theoretical reasoning.You see the flight simulation world as being no different from the real world. Since when did a complex set of computer code made up of 1's and 0's used for entertainment become a luxury item? Would you like to see a hobby of flight simming as being at the same equal economic plane as that of the diamond trade out of South Africa? At that rate, if you encapsulate it into the same ballpark of luxury items as the tangible world, only the wealthy (or they think that they're wealthy with a credit card) could purchase PMDG products at an average $100 per addon.***NOTE*** You cannot use this reasoning with Airbus ("owned" by EADS) because the EU bails them out all of the time...which is why A320s will always be less than B737-800s.Your free market argument for add-on software is apparently non-comparable...Show me another piece of add-on flight simulation software that is 5 or 6 years old that has not been touched or upgraded that is at the same or higher price than when it was released please.Some claim that Windows 98 was the best MS OS to this day...So, is it still for sale for as much as it was 12 years ago? Or is that an invalid argument in your thinking because Windows 98 is not a luxury item or considered a collectors item for those who will drop a couple of Ben Franklin's for Nascar 2003?An add-on should be priced, and set to, the average disposable income of the average consumer. So if the average simmer that PMDG panders to lives in the EU, pricing should begin to fall if PMDG is basing their pricing on the Euro; the Europeans on the same token are in deep **** by their bank's own poison= Greece, Spain, Portugal: Who is next to fall? The Dollar is gaining strength. Europeans make more than us Americans do. Non-diversification of currencies dose not work.Who makes the call as to whether or not an add-on is a luxury item?brando

The more you most the more you show a lack of understanding of even the basics of the free market.A supplier offers products at a price it choses and the public decide whether or not to buy at that price. If enough people buy at that price to satisfy the supplier then that's its fair market price. A supplier tries to aim for the price that maximises its revenue (unit price * number of units sold). It doesn't always succeed because it may not have sufficient information about the demand curve but it'll make the best guess it can. If it realises it can put the price up and incease revenue - ie the product was under-priced - then that's what it will do. There's no ethics involved, particularly in the case of flight simulator which is a luxury item. The supplier offers to sell at a price and the public collectively decides how many it is prepared to buy at that price. Everything else is sold on that basis in a free market so why should flight simulator be different?What basis do you suggest for pricing add-ons - at a price you personally are prepared to pay?

Comparing computer code to a car...Interesting.brando

Change "software manufacturer" to "automobile manufacturer". A Model T Ford car (used) will command 5 to 10 times its original new price 90 years ago.And in fact, the highest price will be for a product that is exactly same as new. "Upgrading" will lower the value.Demand or lack of it, always sets the price. (I expect my present ancient 'puter with FS9 still running will be worth a lot of money in about 50 years time! Grandchildren please note.)Alex Reid

You see the flight simulation world as being no different from the real world. Since when did a complex set of computer code made up of 1's and 0's used for entertainment become a luxury item?

you answered you own question by using the word entertainment

Would you like to see a hobby of flight simming as being at the same equal economic plane as that of the diamond trade out of South Africa?

yes ... as with FS or FS addons, one is not required to have diamonds in order to eat or have shelter.

At that rate, if you encapsulate it into the same ballpark of luxury items as the tangible world, only the wealthy (or they think that they're wealthy with a credit card) could purchase PMDG products at an average $100 per addon.

yes, you are getting the point ... people make a choice to make a purchase and those with 'wealth' to buy a luxury item can 'pick his/her poison'.

***NOTE*** You cannot use this reasoning with Airbus ("owned" by EADS) because the EU bails them out all of the time...which is why A320s will always be less than B737-800s.

don't get me started on how the US gov't finds ways ot 'bail out' boeing and other 'big business that are to large to fail'. :(

Windows 98 is not a luxury item

it is ... you don't need to have a computer or Internet to eat or have shelter.

An add-on should be priced, and set to, the average disposable income of the average consumer.

who says? you? why would a gov't want to control the price of FS addons?

Who makes the call as to whether or not an add-on is a luxury item?

it is by definition ... you don't need FS to eat or have shelter.again, brando, you have stated you feel PMDG's price is too high ... so don't use or own the software. save you money for something you feel is appropriately priced. trust me, no one will make you by any FS addon.--

I dont really want to get to involved in this topic because as stated above, you either chose to buy it or you dont. having said that, I feel that the way PMDG have been doing business lately has got me second guessing them. Especially with the switching to the euro, then back again to USD episode, Thats a little scary. But it is their company and not mine so i respect that, and I also respect the level of quality of their aircraft, but i dont think i would purchase any more products from them due to the way they run their operations.(Again, it is their choice in how to run their ops, this is just my personal opinion and nothing more)