Windows 7 with FSX Acceleration. SORRY...I over-stated that. I found that with the lights on, the GPS can be clicked in the middle and it brings up the navigation panel. When the lights are off, I have to do shift/2 in order to bring it up. Everything else seems clickable with lights on or off. Sorry again, it is only one aspect of the VC panel.Stan

I did not know that we had a click spot in the center of the default GNS-530 display that brought up a 2D sub-menu of the radio stack! The fact that you discovered one with the lights on means you discovered something Bill coded that frankly I never knew existed! LOL!! Bill, you been holding out on us, brother! :)But, truth be told, you are right! It works as a click spot with the interior lights on, but is disabled with the interior lights off!Ken

pd400,I wanted to home in on this one issue because it represents a flight performance issue.The yawing factor on takeoff does match my experience on the actual N5077J that is one of the aircraft offered in this package. But, in the air, the rudder counters left yaw tendencies very nicely. This aircraft was modeled for non-turbocharged IO-520-M's (per Cessna original specs for this 285hp engine).The 310C model used a significantly different engine (260hp) versus the 285hp models on the R model. But, much more significantly, the airframe between the C and the R is significantly different as the older C model had the short (pug) nose, a more upright vertical stabilizer, and did not have the additional ventral fins that the R model features. The C-model also used two blade props, which can offer a faster speed at cruise, but less takeoff and climb performance given the same horsepower.Frankly, I have never flown a C-model 310. So, I cannot provide educated feedback on how the C-310C performed. But strictly from the standpoint of how raw horsepower affects yaw on takeoff roll, and how additional prop blades would impact p-effect, I would suspect the 260hp a side C-model produced less torque and p-effect than did the more powerful, three-bladed R model.Cheers,Ken

Hi Ken,I am surprised that this is the case. I do not doubt you're integrity or experience on this, as you own the very plane that us sim pilots are flying (or trying to). For me in my sim, it makes it almost unflyable. Maybe to enjoy this great addon, you must have a yoke and rudders, and my simple Logitech 3D joystick is not enough? Also, I have the torque and Pfactor turned completely off, because I feel FS does not simulate these anywhere near correctly. I guess I may have to turn all the way on to see if it helps?As for the differences in the aircraft, I never tried to insinuate they were the same, by any stretch. I am a commercial pilot also, and I was a lineman for 3.5 years, so I for sure know the differences visually, and know that the C model uses the 260HP IO-470L engines. I understand the differences with all of this. I am just surprised that 1 more blade could create such a yawing moment. The King Air's I've flown, the Cessna 340, and the Cessna C310C (35 hrs in) never exhibited this "engine failure" type of yaw on the roll, certainly not in the air once speed built. I suppose this could be FSX's inability to faithfully create tire friction. Furthermore, the C208B I fly now for work, does not yaw like this, and it's a 675hp engine, with 3 blades and a 106" diameter prop arc! However, you are the chief beta tester and owner of this aircraft, so I bow to you on this, because you know more than we do!!!!Thanks for the info on this.Furthermore, any insight into the actual problems I am having from above? Primarily the odd behavior and the non-click-spots?I can't comment on anyone else's posts, as I have to go to work now. But, what is the status of the forum? I registered last night and I'm still waiting on a response to get into the forum!Thanks!Kreg

I did not know that we had a click spot in the center of the default GNS-530 display that brought up a 2D sub-menu of the radio stack! The fact that you discovered one with the lights on means you discovered something Bill coded that frankly I never knew existed! LOL!! Bill, you been holding out on us, brother! :)But, truth be told, you are right! It works as a click spot with the interior lights on, but is disabled with the interior lights off!

The truly odd thing is that the zoom click spot works (nearly) all the time for me, lights on or off! Only when the moon is in the wrong phase or something equally bizzare does the mouse point fail to popup the zoomed panel.

Hi Ken,I am surprised that this is the case. I do not doubt you're integrity or experience on this, as you own the very plane that us sim pilots are flying (or trying to). For me in my sim, it makes it almost unflyable. Maybe to enjoy this great addon, you must have a yoke and rudders, and my simple Logitech 3D joystick is not enough?

FWIW, in the nearly six months I've been working on the C310R, I was unable to take off myself until I finally got around to buying CH pedals.I never tried using my "twisty stick" since I'm far too used to my CH Yoke by now, but I can confirm that trying to use keyboard rudder control was an exercise in futility, at least for me! :(

I did not know that we had a click spot in the center of the default GNS-530 display that brought up a 2D sub-menu of the radio stack! The fact that you discovered one with the lights on means you discovered something Bill coded that frankly I never knew existed!

Bingo!! This works equally for the RXP GNS530 installed in the same spot.. When the lights are on, the click-spot works!One of my two requests resolved, and that within 24 hrs after first ship..I like it, big time! :(

Also, I have the torque and Pfactor turned completely off, because I feel FS does not simulate these anywhere near correctly. I guess I may have to turn all the way on to see if it helps?

I wish I had this 310...........because I'm always itching for an aircraft that requires a fair amount of rudder on the takeoff roll.I keep torque & P-factor up, due to the fact that my RealAir Spitfire does such a good job of utilizing it. IMO, rudder pedals are essential. I suppose you could try the "auto rudder" setting on the FSX realism menu. I just just haven't tried that setting lately, although I used it with my laptop & joystick with no twist grip.I fly a plane that requires quite a load of right rudder on takeoff. It's very noticeable on the last third of throttle, and you can feel the torque as well. Not as much as my hangar partners Pitt's M-12 with the Russian radial and left turning prop, but still pretty forceful.L.Adamson

Kreg,Yes, if you don't have a set of rudder pedals, then you have my total sympathy!The POH specifically warns against doing a full power stand-still takeoff. The brakes will hold with full power -- barely! But, the resulting torque and p-effect will be horrible! First time I flew at a sea level airport (I'm based at Portales Muni KPRZ which has a field elevation of 4025 feet) and the yaw startled me. This was the first time I had the engines above 25 inches MP (at Houston they pegged at 30.5 inches). And that is despite me only going to 18 inches on MP before brake release and then slowly and smoothly feeding in the remaining power -- like over the stretch of three seconds of smooth continuous application of throttle increase. As you know but some folks may not, this also ensures you don't cause problems with your engine detuning itself!So, without rudder pedals to make the small adjustments always required, I can certainly understand the source of your frustration.Ken

Kreg,Regarding your other issues ...1. The majority of the items you are showing in your screen shots seem to show that your computer is being hard tasked to perform, but right now, that is just a theory. Bill Leaming has actually already answered several points here and he's the coding master. So, I bow to his input in that area.2. The forums are handled by the MilViz staff and so I don't know what the status of your account is. However, perhaps more important to you, we have already taken your feedback for action simply by reading it posted here. So, regardless of your account status, your issues are being seriously investigated. 3. The G1000 panel requires the Deluxe version of FSX, which you said you did not have. Sorry, but we adopted the default FSX G1000 panel just to have another available option. I think you are just going to have to limit yourself to the default 3D and Free Radio panel.4. Previously, I asked for more detailed feedback on what you meant by the lack of click spots in the VC. I said there is only a few (and turns out with interior lights on, there is a third I did not know about). Again, please reference the POH section 7 for details on where the click spots are located. If any of those actually listed for the 3D panel, then please come back and tell us. If you hover the mouse over top the base of the yoke where it "pierces" the panel sheet, and left click, it should toggle the yoke on or off. Can you please confirm that you get his behavior? Again, remember, there are two sections in the POH for "listed click spots." One is exclusive to the 2D panel, the other for the 3D panel.5. You have observed low frame rates and we believe this is related to why you are experiencing anamolies on the lights. We think frankly your computer is just hard pressed. We are working a potential solution for people with relatively slower computers -- a highly reduced resolution paint skin. We hope that will solve the problems with lights and frames some customers are experiencing. To put the performance issue into perspective, I suspect my previous FSX computer would have had similar problems with this aircraft. But, a year ago, I purchased a new quad core 3.20 GHz processor with also four ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 video cards. In short, I think my computer is a lot faster and my performance will sometimes -- for a split second -- show the square-shaped light patterns you took screenshots of. But, in my case, they go away in a split second and stay away. In your case, with a much slower computer, I don't think it can recover like mine can. Bill Leaming will know more about this. So, this is my best, most educated guess at this time. We also think perhaps computer power could be a factor with your spinning prop blades, but we also know for a fact that SP2 corrected that anomaly within FSX, but you say you have SP2 installed. Have you tried dialing back your video quality settings to see if improved performance solves your light and framerate issues?This is the absolute best information I can provide to you at this time. Smarter people than me are working the performance issues and as soon as they have the solutions, they are going to make them available at the Flight1 purchase website.Cheers,Ken

Can someone answer a question I have about purchasing the C310R? I run FSX on a system that I NEVER connect to the internet. After looking at the Flight 1 "wrapper system" I'm a little foggy as to whether or not I can "easily" purchase this on the system I do connect with and install it to the FSX system. Seems like some software is tied to the machine it is purchased on and is somewhat of an ordeal (in my feeble brain) to transfer. More simply put, can I buy it on the internet computer and simply move the downloaded files to the FSX system and install it?ThanksSteve

Kreg,Yes, if you don't have a set of rudder pedals, then you have my total sympathy!The POH specifically warns against doing a full power stand-still takeoff. The brakes will hold with full power -- barely! But, the resulting torque and p-effect will be horrible! First time I flew at a sea level airport (I'm based at Portales Muni KPRZ which has a field elevation of 4025 feet) and the yaw startled me. This was the first time I had the engines above 25 inches MP (at Houston they pegged at 30.5 inches). And that is despite me only going to 18 inches on MP before brake release and then slowly and smoothly feeding in the remaining power -- like over the stretch of three seconds of smooth continuous application of throttle increase. As you know but some folks may not, this also ensures you don't cause problems with your engine detuning itself!So, without rudder pedals to make the small adjustments always required, I can certainly understand the source of your frustration.Ken

Ken,Thanks for the further response. Yes, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to keep this plane flying in the sim with the "twist" rudder. In fact, I've never had a set of rudder pedals for FSX!!!I have never flown any twin IRL (well, I'll exclude the Seminole from this...as it's an archer with 2 engines), that we ever ran power to full and then took off. I always have, for the most part, done the roll on power approach, IRL and the sim. Typically I will run the RPM up to 10-1500 and then when both are stabilized and synced, I will smoothly advance power to full open watching the MP. Then, after positive rate, gear up. Accelerate, flaps up. Then after clear of obstacles etc, RPM to top of the green, and MP to the green. Then, in climb constantly pushing MP to the top of green until full open. As I said before, I'm not just a sim pilot, so I do understand the concepts here :(. We flew the C310C around the country for 4300nm! Never once did I feel that kind of yaw, but as you said, I DID have real rudder pedals! You are correct though, you take it's power away and it will punish you! Keep in mind we flew from sea level altitudes, to 5500 msl airports, and to another where the OAT was 108F!!! It was an awesome trip, and is what got me SO excited for this plane that came out of nowhere! Just hope I can get it working right!I guess, any chance of putting out a "non rudder pedal" version? I don't have my normal setup, because it's not economical to keep moving crap around when you are in aviation and you are always moving! Since moving to Hawaii to fly, I haven't had a tower PC in 2 years. My laptop has pretty decent power though. More on this on my next post!Kreg

Kreg,Regarding your other issues ...1. The majority of the items you are showing in your screen shots seem to show that your computer is being hard tasked to perform, but right now, that is just a theory. Bill Leaming has actually already answered several points here and he's the coding master. So, I bow to his input in that area.2. The forums are handled by the MilViz staff and so I don't know what the status of your account is. However, perhaps more important to you, we have already taken your feedback for action simply by reading it posted here. So, regardless of your account status, your issues are being seriously investigated. 3. The G1000 panel requires the Deluxe version of FSX, which you said you did not have. Sorry, but we adopted the default FSX G1000 panel just to have another available option. I think you are just going to have to limit yourself to the default 3D and Free Radio panel.4. Previously, I asked for more detailed feedback on what you meant by the lack of click spots in the VC. I said there is only a few (and turns out with interior lights on, there is a third I did not know about). Again, please reference the POH section 7 for details on where the click spots are located. If any of those actually listed for the 3D panel, then please come back and tell us. If you hover the mouse over top the base of the yoke where it "pierces" the panel sheet, and left click, it should toggle the yoke on or off. Can you please confirm that you get his behavior? Again, remember, there are two sections in the POH for "listed click spots." One is exclusive to the 2D panel, the other for the 3D panel.5. You have observed low frame rates and we believe this is related to why you are experiencing anamolies on the lights. We think frankly your computer is just hard pressed. We are working a potential solution for people with relatively slower computers -- a highly reduced resolution paint skin. We hope that will solve the problems with lights and frames some customers are experiencing. To put the performance issue into perspective, I suspect my previous FSX computer would have had similar problems with this aircraft. But, a year ago, I purchased a new quad core 3.20 GHz processor with also four ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 video cards. In short, I think my computer is a lot faster and my performance will sometimes -- for a split second -- show the square-shaped light patterns you took screenshots of. But, in my case, they go away in a split second and stay away. In your case, with a much slower computer, I don't think it can recover like mine can. Bill Leaming will know more about this. So, this is my best, most educated guess at this time. We also think perhaps computer power could be a factor with your spinning prop blades, but we also know for a fact that SP2 corrected that anomaly within FSX, but you say you have SP2 installed. Have you tried dialing back your video quality settings to see if improved performance solves your light and framerate issues?This is the absolute best information I can provide to you at this time. Smarter people than me are working the performance issues and as soon as they have the solutions, they are going to make them available at the Flight1 purchase website.Cheers,Ken

Hi Ken,Thanks again for your time and input.@1: I doubt that my computer is being tasked "that" hard. It may not be top of the line, but I can run the PMDG MD11/747/J41 without this amount of FPS hit, or graphical hiccups.@2: That is great to know! I registered 24 hrs ago and haven't received a response. However, it is the weekend. I am very happy to know that these issues I'm bringing up aren't just being dismissed, but are being considered!@3: I noticed that too about the G1000 and Deluxe etc. I ended up buying the Gold version off of Amazon. So, in a way the C310 cost me about $80, but I guess it's good to have the best FSX version. I had to beta test an airplane and on short notice, the standard version was the only one sold in Hawaii! I will install it when ever it gets here, but for now I'm going to have to re-adjust the textures to have all paints available in the analog model!@4: Maybe it was because it was about 4am here in Hawaii when I wrote that. I glanced at the manual, but I was sure I saw that they were in the VC! You are probably right, and they are for the 2D panel. I will report back with findings for that!@5: I know that it's not the best computer, but as I said in #1, a smaller model that has less moving parts and etc etc, should not task a computer that much more. I'm sure a lot has to do with not having Acceleration, but I'll be getting that soon, so it's going to be interesting. I have a hard time believing that computer performance would make the props spin backwards upon loading! It has to be a glitch somewhere in the system. Giorgio reported this also! I am anxious to see what you have worked up, and I will be awaiting my Gold copy to see if that clears up the issues!Thanks again for your time, and you're comments!

Can someone answer a question I have about purchasing the C310R? I run FSX on a system that I NEVER connect to the internet. After looking at the Flight 1 "wrapper system" I'm a little foggy as to whether or not I can "easily" purchase this on the system I do connect with and install it to the FSX system. Seems like some software is tied to the machine it is purchased on and is somewhat of an ordeal (in my feeble brain) to transfer. More simply put, can I buy it on the internet computer and simply move the downloaded files to the FSX system and install it?ThanksSteve

Hey Steve,I'm not sure about this! It may be best to contact Flight1 directly to get an answer, as they'd know more than anyone.Flight1 SupportLicensingLive Chat and Ticket SupportHope that helps

@2: That is great to know! I registered 24 hrs ago and haven't received a response. However, it is the weekend. I am very happy to know that these issues I'm bringing up aren't just being dismissed, but are being considered!

I had a similar problem - it appears that either the forum software isn't sending activation emails in all cases, or they get lost in transit, maybe in an ISP spam filter somewhere. I suggest you email them about the problem - they were very quick getting my account activated manually after I did that.(You did see the notice about emailing them your order number, right? http://www.milviz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=527)

Ken,Thanks for the further response.  Yes, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to keep this plane flying in the sim with the "twist" rudder.  In fact, I've never had a set of rudder pedals for FSX!!!I have never flown any twin IRL (well, I'll exclude the Seminole from this...as it's an archer with 2 engines), that we ever ran power to full and then took off.  I always have, for the most part, done the roll on power approach, IRL and the sim.  Typically I will run the RPM up to 10-1500 and then when both are stabilized and synced, I will smoothly advance power to full open watching the MP.  Then, after positive rate, gear up.  Accelerate, flaps up.  Then after clear of obstacles etc, RPM to top of the green, and MP to the green.  Then, in climb constantly pushing MP to the top of green until full open.  As I said before, I'm not just a sim pilot, so I do understand the concepts here :(.  We flew the C310C around the country for 4300nm!  Never once did I feel that kind of yaw, but as you said, I DID have real rudder pedals!    You are correct though, you take it's power away and it will punish you!  Keep in mind we flew from sea level altitudes, to 5500 msl airports, and to another where the OAT was 108F!!!  It was an awesome trip, and is what got me SO excited for this plane that came out of nowhere!  Just hope I can get it working right!I guess, any chance of putting out a "non rudder pedal" version?  I don't have my normal setup, because it's not economical to keep moving crap around when you are in aviation and you are always moving!  Since moving to Hawaii to fly, I haven't had a tower PC in 2 years.  My laptop has pretty decent power though.  More on this on my next post!Kreg

isnt the "non rudder pedal" version .. simply adjusting the pfactor and torque in the settings .. something you could do right away!

Hey All,In regards to everything brought up (not necessarily in order):1. The rectangle block in shots 3 and 8, shows up when the lights are in the OFF and ON positions. Furthermore, it DOES NOT show up at night.2. The weird three-nav light thing still shows up under the tip tank. Also, lights look great at night, but, it's almost as if 2 different light effect sets are showing up at once. a. When beacon is on, it's like the taxi light blinks with it, showing up on the ground but not on the model b. The effect landing lights look great, but as in (a) above, it's like there is another effect going on, showing on the ground also.3. Props still spin when loading, during day and night.4. FPS seems to be a bit improved at night versus day.5. Using full PFactor and Torque settings via FSX, the plane actually exhibits less of what I discussed in the earlier posts! I don't know why that is, but I'll take it, as the plane is more flyable, in fact close to joyful! Landing is the easiest part for me...!! Also, +3 rolls (right) of right rudder trim for take off, back to +1 for climb, seems to work great and is how I fly the Caravan (sort of, we are CONSTANTLY running rudder trim. Any time it's climbing, descending, turning, losing and gaining speed).6. Clickspots in the VC (the yoke) work right, as do the 2D ones. The 2D ones are what I mistook in earlier posts.7. A new one. Sometimes in the VC when not doing anything, I'll hear a mechanical chirp sound. I have not been able to figure out what causes it! I realize that is not much help!Thats if for now! Going to get caught up on sleep! I look forward to this beauty being cleaned up just a bit, and then i'll recreate my 4 day, 4300nm time building 310 trip! I'd love to see this plane, the exact paint as the Songbird (the one I did the Cross Country in): here and here!@Tierborn...see number 5, oddly enough....!@Tom, no I didn't see that! Thanks for bringing it to my attention! (It was VERY late last night dealing with this :()

7. A new one. Sometimes in the VC when not doing anything, I'll hear a mechanical chirp sound. I have not been able to figure out what causes it! I realize that is not much help!

That one has me confused, too. It definitely sounds like it was put in intentionally, but what the heck is it ...? :(