Hey guys,I was looking at the A2A P47 for a while and although I like how they did it and how everything is realistic and good looking,=> I find that I need something with at least some basic radio navigation equipment.I know it has a map, but that map looks like a GPS to me (I consider that "cheating" in a way =P )I am looking for:- WWII or a little later era plane (Single-Seater, 2 Seats max, no heavy metal B17-style), VIETNAM-era also possible- Long Range (preferably with drop-tanks - similar the way A2A did it => they disappear and the plane gets lighter)- at least basic RadioNav equipment (Radio Compass is sufficient)- great VC/exterior model, this is VERY important!- "realistic" flight model (I don't need the engine to burn, but it shouldn't fly like a Space Shuttle either...)Optional:- What I already looked at:- FSD P-38: looks great, but I can't find too much about it other than that a lot of people seem to dislike the guys =PWhat is excluded:- A2A P-47: would be perfect if it had some more realistic RadioNav capabilities (I think adding a RadioCompass wouldn't hurt the realism more than the map already does...)- SkyUnlimited P-38: ugly, no need to look furtherUpcoming products that might fit my bill:- A2A P-51: should be like the P-47 + RadioNAV, but it's almost too "mainstream" for me...Please post your ideas on what my choices are in this area,Thanks in advance,Stefan

Please post your ideas on what my choices are in this area,Thanks in advance,Stefan

RealAir SF-260 Marchetti ! ..or RealAir Spitfire.http://www.realairsimulations.com

RealAir SF-260 Marchetti ! ..or RealAir Spitfire.

Hi,thanks. The SF260 isn't really what i'm looking for =PThe Spitfire on the other hand is. And so far I've only heard great things from RealAir, their Duke seems to be exceptional from what I hear =)I'll keep that one in mind!I think I'll buy the FSD P-38 later I think. The bugs seem to have been ironed out and I found some threads about the plane that seem to be encouraging. Also I just love that plane =)And since it's only 15€, there's not much I can do wrong...Thanks again,Stefan

I agree, the Realair Spitfire is a delightful bird to fly, it looks good too.

Classics Hangar Focke-Wulf 190 Late Variantsthey have Radio Navigation, and the VC is one of the best in all of FSX. Also easy on frames.

Classics Hangar Focke-Wulf 190 Late Variantsthey have Radio Navigation, and the VC is one of the best in all of FSX. Also easy on frames.

I never saw a review of this one.... looks great judging by the screenshots.... how could I miss this... ? =PThanks!

You might want to consider Just Flight's DeHavilland Mosquito, which includes a vast number of variants in supplementary additional add-on inexpensive payware packages over and above the base package. Very, very fast and log-legged too, with some good navigational features, especially on the Pathfinder variants. Quite good value as well, and with quite a nice VC, although it can be tiring to fly for long periods, as it is twitchy on the ailerons. Great fun for night flying with Track-IR.Worth a look too, is the Warbirdsim P-51C, which makes a nice change from the dearth of P-51Ds. Bit pricey, but it's a lovely thing with an outstanding VC and very accurate high alpha flight modeling. As with all P-51s, it goes like the devil but sounds like an angel singing.For really fast and different, you might want to check out one of the several Me262s there are kicking about.Perhaps over your size limit, but almost as good as A2A's Accu-Sim as far as engine modeling is concerned, and with an astonishingly good VC, is Aerosoft's Consolidated PBY Catalina. Massive range, although it's not very fast, but to be honest, you won't care about going slow in that beauty. One of the best FSX aircraft there is, by a quite considerable margin. Plenty of options for navigational fittings too, from original steam gauges, to modern GPS.If you overcome your limits on size, also consider the Plane Design AVRO Lancaster. Very realistic system modeling and good VC. It works in FSX as well as FS9, and if you don't want to cheat on navigation, then it offers the ultimate challenge, because it actually features a working bubble sextant for use in astral navigation. If you like the Merlin engine, then why settle for one, when you can have four of them all to yourself? Enemy coast ahead skipper...Al

I never saw a review of this one.... looks great judging by the screenshots.... how could I miss this... ? =PThanks!

Time to read some Avsim reviews... :( http://www.avsim.com/pages/0110/ClassicHangar/FW190A.htm

You might want to consider Just Flight's DeHavilland Mosquito, which includes a vast number of variants in supplementary additional add-on inexpensive payware packages over and above the base package. Very, very fast and log-legged too, with some good navigational features, especially on the Pathfinder variants. Quite good value as well, and with quite a nice VC, although it can be tiring to fly for long periods, as it is twitchy on the ailerons. Great fun for night flying with Track-IR.Worth a look too, is the Warbirdsim P-51C, which makes a nice change from the dearth of P-51Ds. Bit pricey, but it's a lovely thing with an outstanding VC and very accurate high alpha flight modeling. As with all P-51s, it goes like the devil but sounds like an angel singing.For really fast and different, you might want to check out one of the several Me262s there are kicking about.Perhaps over your size limit, but almost as good as A2A's Accu-Sim as far as engine modeling is concerned, and with an astonishingly good VC, is Aerosoft's Consolidated PBY Catalina. Massive range, although it's not very fast, but to be honest, you won't care about going slow in that beauty. One of the best FSX aircraft there is, by a quite considerable margin. Plenty of options for navigational fittings too, from original steam gauges, to modern GPS.If you overcome your limits on size, also consider the Plane Design AVRO Lancaster. Very realistic system modeling and good VC. It works in FSX as well as FS9, and if you don't want to cheat on navigation, then it offers the ultimate challenge, because it actually features a working bubble sextant for use in astral navigation. If you like the Merlin engine, then why settle for one, when you can have four of them all to yourself? Enemy coast ahead skipper...Al

Hi,@Mosquito: I already had a look at that but the overall package didn't convince me...@Me262: I had a look at the model by Flight Replica, but they don't seem to have radioNav@Catalina: Oh yeah. I already own that one, but it is REALLY slow... but I LOVE it =)@Lancaster: Judging by the screenshots and looking at the release date in 2005, this (although eventually interesting) bird simply is too old (FSX-model-wise)...@P-51: If I'm honest: If I buy a P-51, I guess I'll rather to wait for the A2A one that is (supposedly) close to release as I simply know that it will have comparable systems as the P-47 they did.

Time to read some Avsim reviews... :( http://www.avsim.com...ngar/FW190A.htm

Yeah, I found that review yesterday but it never crossed my way before when I was looking on my own.One thing I don't like about those German planes is that I can't those in the realistic colors/decals, as I WILL NOT fly with a phracking swastika on my plane!@FSD P-38: I just bought it: Great model, nice flying characteristics, great VC, range should be fine, BUT what I thought to be a radio compass (the fixed compass with a single needle showing your heading and a double needle showing the MagBearing of Nav1) is NOT a radio compass... the P-38 seems to have the exact same nav-systems as the P-47 did.Just to clarify:I'm thinking about flying around the world with a plane like this. I did it in a 727, but I want to do it more by myself rather than by autopilot.This means:When I say Long Range I'm talking about at least 1000NM upwards, as otherwise I won't be able to cross the oceans.This is why planes like the Spitfire (also because they don't have drop tanks in any pack I found) with their relatively short range (because that's how they where designed to be) are also NOT an option.Thanks for your suggestions!edit:if range wasn't the problem, I'd have already found the perfect plane in the LotusSim L-39. It's almost too new, but due to the Russian instruments and astonishing performance It'd be a good compromise. Now this plane according to the manual maxes out at 730NM WITH external tanks... not enough...Maybe:If I say military planes in general (even modern ones...): are there any good LR ones out their?I looked at the IRIS page but I'm not convinced by the VC's and navigating with those tactical displays might be a challenge =PAre their maybe some good jets from the beginning of the jetfighter era?

 I´m not sure if flying around the world really needs a plane with 1000nm range (nonstop). There is a AddOn which is called "Around the world in 80 flights". And they do it with a Lockheed Electra. I don´t think that this plane will be capable of fly the same route, the big irons do when crossing the pond.Maybe the AddOn is worth a look (even if it´s only for the flights / the route). I´m sure they try to stay away from the big Airports and take off / landing will take place in some smaller ones. Sure, with a slow plane the flight around the world will take a long time, but isn´t it the trip why we do the flights, and not the destination?  :(

There is an addon you might like, that fills this category, coming soon:A2A Simulations A2A Simulations, formerly Shockwave ProductionsHe-219 Uhu details post

Considered the B17 AccuSim from A2A? Or the older (but still brilliant) B377? Both are equipped with NAV1/2 ADF1/2And yes, both have the GPS map, but a) you don't have to use it and :( you can disable it easily in the panel.cfg

I´m not sure if flying around the world really needs a plane with 1000nm range (nonstop). There is a AddOn which is called "Around the world in 80 flights". And they do it with a Lockheed Electra. I don´t think that this plane will be capable of fly the same route, the big irons do when crossing the pond.Maybe the AddOn is worth a look (even if it´s only for the flights / the route). I´m sure they try to stay away from the big Airports and take off / landing will take place in some smaller ones. Sure, with a slow plane the flight around the world will take a long time, but isn´t it the trip why we do the flights, and not the destination? :(

I agree, somewhat =PI don't want to fly transatlantic like I do with my 747/767.I just had a look and it seems the biggest distance I need to cover is from Greenland to Iceland, if I leave out the pacific and cross over from Russia directly east.I just want something that is a little flexible and that I don't just use for a few days... =PThe RealAir Spitfire is too modern for my taste btw.

There is an addon you might like, that fills this category, coming soon:A2A Simulations A2A Simulations, formerly Shockwave ProductionsHe-219 Uhu details post

I really like A2A and the way they do their models, but as I said above, I'm not really interested in a German plane, since I'm definitely not going to fly with a swastika on my back and without it's not realistic...

Considered the B17 AccuSim from A2A? Or the older (but still brilliant) B377? Both are equipped with NAV1/2 ADF1/2And yes, both have the GPS map, but a) you don't have to use it and :( you can disable it easily in the panel.cfg

Well the B-17 is just... too massive and too .... I dunnoThe B377 on the other hand is an option (although a quite ugly one - or do you call that character? =D )It certainly does have the range needed.If there just was a decent Constellation out there.... but the "Constellation Professional" has a cockpit copied from a cartoon... =/Thanks for all your suggestions guys!

An Accusimmed Conny would be a dream, thats right...Yes, the B377 is ugly, you're right. But believe me, fly her some weeks and you will see her suddenly as a wonderful plane - really pretty :biggrin:I found her totally ugly first, but yes, its character!

Well the B-17 is just... too massive and too .... I dunno

what do you mean?The B17 is much smarter then the B377...The accusim tecnique is a bit more advanced as it is the latest release (don't mean that B377 is bad - I'm currently flying her from sardignia to corse)So, still get both and you are on the save side - you won't regret it!!!

An Accusimmed Conny would be a dream, thats right...Yes, the B377 is ugly, you're right. But believe me, fly her some weeks and you will see her suddenly as a wonderful plane - really pretty :biggrin:I found her totally ugly first, but yes, its character!what do you mean?The B17 is much smarter then the B377...The accusim tecnique is a bit more advanced as it is the latest release (don't mean that B377 is bad - I'm currently flying her from sardignia to corse)So, still get both and you are on the save side - you won't regret it!!!

What I was trying to say:I'm still looking for a "relatively small" plane. 1-2 seater. I like it when you fly those high and above =)I might choose the B377 although bigger, because I like that era of flying.The B17, although more modern in terms of modelling, is just oversized for my taste...