that no manufacturer has ever developed a FORCE FEEDBACK YOKE! After all, there is a force feedback steering wheel for racing games, and I still swear by my Microsoft FF2 joystick. I have tried so many other joysticks over the years, but I can't be satisfied with any of them. I have even gone so far as to buy SEVERAL Microsoft FF2 joysticks on EBAY, because I fear the day that I can't get one.I know many of you will disagree...but there is an added element of realism (for me) to feel something when I rumble down the runway, and especially when I land!C'mon LOGITECH...you are the leader in these kinds of things. I just know that a Force Feedback YOKE will really sell.Stan

that no manufacturer has ever developed a FORCE FEEDBACK YOKE! After all, there is a force feedback steering wheel for racing games, and I still swear by my Microsoft FF2 joystick. I have tried so many other joysticks over the years, but I can't be satisfied with any of them. I have even gone so far as to buy SEVERAL Microsoft FF2 joysticks on EBAY, because I fear the day that I can't get one.I know many of you will disagree...but there is an added element of realism (for me) to feel something when I rumble down the runway, and especially when I land!C'mon LOGITECH...you are the leader in these kinds of things. I just know that a Force Feedback YOKE will really sell.Stan

I too share your sentiments as I dread to think what will happen if my MS FF2 Sidewinder ever packs up.There must be a market out there seeing that as you have stated,steering wheels sell,and sell well.

Go ahead .. HW-FFB-737 .:(

http://buggies.builtforfun.co.uk/Sim/FFB-yoke-1.phphttp://www.beh.ch/Force-Feedback-Yoke.143.0.html

Pretty expensive.

Go ahead .. HW-FFB-737 .:(

How much? I'll have two of them!! As if.

Go ahead .. HW-FFB-737 .:(

OUCH!! That sure ain't free is it.

IThere must be a market out there seeing that as you have stated,steering wheels sell,and sell well.

There obviously isn't a market.

For that kind of money I'll pay for a cutie to stand by my sim and shake my yoke! (Oooops.... that didn't come out right, :( )Clutch

For that kind of money I'll pay for a cutie to stand by my sim and shake my yoke! (Oooops.... that didn't come out right, :( )Clutch

.. an' I'll bet it would be a short flight, too... :(

OUCH!! That sure ain't free is it.

Yeah, but it's the only end user available thing I've found so far, being a complete product, available and coming with a guarantee.Way to much for me to invest into a single unit other that a complete PC though. I'd also switch to the joystick of mine on 'joystick birds', so it may even get rendered unused on some aircraft of mine.Now I don't know how their FF setup and software works too, while the current FF joysticks all work well with FSForce, which is a blast.A niche product this yoke is, but surely an interesting one, no doubt.There's one coming with a simple yoke (not the 737 one), a bit cheaper then.

I guess it would just be too expensive to sell well enough. A FF version of the Saitek or CH yoke would probably cost about $250. And of course that doesn't include rudder pedals. So, the newcomers would be more likely to opt for the non-FF yokes.You already have a niche in the flight sim genre, and then the yoke is a niche within that because some people will buy a joystick instead. And with a yoke, you can't sell to the more casual market that plays the more arcade-like games such as HAWX. The FF wheels like the G27 can sell to console gamers too, which again is something you can't do with the yoke because there's no suitable console software for it.

I've read all your posts....and, well, I'm just not satisfied with the answers. It doesn't have to be an expensive piece of hardware like some of these posts show. Logitech was mentioned by me, because I'm very familiar with their products, and they are good products. It is my belief that if you can produce a flight stick, or joystick that has FF, and you can produce a plastic steering wheel for under $150 that has FF, then you should be able to produce a yoke with some buttons and levers (assignable) that we flight sim enthusiasts would buy...and use.There isn't a market for it because it hasn't been "marketed" properly.Of course, this is all my opinion. But if someone reads this who has connections to these manufactured products, perhaps we'll see one in the future. For now, you can have my Microsoft FF2 joystick from me when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.Stan

True, if one major brand would take on the FF yoke wish, prices may be much lower. I don't need commercial building standards there, end user ones will do.But, although I don't understand why, the whole FF market for sim products seems to be a very small one. As somebody else said, a niche in a niche. That mighty MS Sidewinder FF2 showed how it's done, but wasn't continued or copied over to another great FF stick.The Logitech G940 is one of a few modern sets with a good FF implementation, so either people don't appreciate any FF input at all or it really takes some yoke too to get some more attracted to it. It could also be that some mix up that early rumbling-only Playstation experience with some flight sim setup. If one hasn't tried so far, he may end up with that impression, rendering FF to be arcade style.I wouldn't want to go without FF in the sim, especially when running it with FSForce.

True, if one major brand would take on the FF yoke wish, prices may be much lower. I don't need commercial building standards there, end user ones will do.But, although I don't understand why, the whole FF market for sim products seems to be a very small one. As somebody else said, a niche in a niche. That mighty MS Sidewinder FF2 showed how it's done, but wasn't continued or copied over to another great FF stick.The Logitech G940 is one of a few modern sets with a good FF implementation, so either people don't appreciate any FF input at all or it really takes some yoke too to get some more attracted to it. It could also be that some mix up that early rumbling-only Playstation experience with some flight sim setup. If one hasn't tried so far, he may end up with that impression, rendering FF to be arcade style.I wouldn't want to go without FF in the sim, especially when running it with FSForce.

I feel the same. Russell Dirks' FSForce makes all the difference. I'll bet that those who put down ForceFeedback didn't try it with Russell's program!Stan