Hi All,I watched a 1 hour "air disaster" documentary the other day. Back in 1983 when the Boeing 767 was brand new to the airlines. Apparently while enroute a duel engine fairlure resulted at 26,000 ft on a air canada flight.The captain dead sticked it into an abandoned military airstrip, which was used for local street or mortorcycle racing. There we races going on and the captain had to do a hard side slip (like that would be done in a Cessna 172) on the Boeing 767 to get on the ground.The captain had alot of glider experience also. Nobody has ever been able to recreate this in the airline simulators. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_GliderThe investigation concluded that the fuel crews did not calculate the conversion of Pounds (US) to Kg of fuel proprerly, resulting in only fueling the plane 50% required for the flight!! OOOPPSS :( Can one of the Tech team members or a Beta tester report if the PMDG 737NG is capable of side-slip?Thanks,BillyBob

I have yet to see any FSim aircraft that forward or side-slips correctly. About the only time this short coming with cross control behavior makes any difference to me is during cross wind landings. At least in the airliners. On a side note, during those situations the worst part of the sim is the lack of friction when the wheels touch down.

The crew actually ran out of gas - an embarassing mistake related to the fuel being loaded in imperial measurements, but the plane was metric - or vise-versa I don't remember which. The pilot both screwed the pooch and redeemed himself. Google "gimly glider" and you should find a lot more on this incredibel feat of airmanship. Colin Ware

I saw that movie once ages ago. Been looking for it on DVD ever since!

I saw that movie once ages ago. Been looking for it on DVD ever since!

Freefall Flight 174? Good film!

I have yet to see any FSim aircraft that forward or side-slips correctly. About the only time this short coming with cross control behavior makes any difference to me is during cross wind landings. At least in the airliners. On a side note, during those situations the worst part of the sim is the lack of friction when the wheels touch down.

The A2A Piper Cub simulates the side-slips beautifully as one would expect in real life.However, the 737NG is a whole nother beast!Best,BB

Wow, dead sticked a 767 with a dash of side slip? Good pilot, aside from forgetting to fill th plane up with fuel.One of the things I want to try is to see how easy it is to dead stick land the pMDG NGX.

I have yet to see any FSim aircraft that forward or side-slips correctly. About the only time this short coming with cross control behavior makes any difference to me is during cross wind landings. At least in the airliners. On a side note, during those situations the worst part of the sim is the lack of friction when the wheels touch down.

Zach, the ATR from this group, I forgot it was awhile ago, anyway the air file was done by Alexander Metzinger (sorry if name slightly not right) it sidel-slipped beautifully, it was absolute joy to practice landing with 20-kts crosswind. I hope the NGX is no worse.

I'll check it out Michal. Can't say I'm familiar with it!To Billy: I have flown the A2A Cub. Unfortunately I have to say, to me it handles nothing like a real Cub. It just didn't "feel right". Especially slips. That being said I never use FS for GA flying like I do in the real Cub anyway.

To Billy: I have flown the A2A Cub. Unfortunately I have to say, to me it handles nothing like a real Cub. It just didn't "feel right". Especially slips. That being said I never use FS for GA flying like I do in the real Cub anyway.

I haven't flown a real cub, as my 6'6" frame won't allow it. However, it felt like a C-172 side sliping, which i've done quite a few of. But I've been out of currency for several years now. :( Best,BB

6'5", does that allow for flying in a real cub, or is that still to tall?-Spencer

I haven't flown a real cub, as my 6'6" frame won't allow it. However, it felt like a C-172 side sliping, which i've done quite a few of. But I've been out of currency for several years now. :( Best,BB

That's pretty cool. Didn't know that the cub was that small.

6'5", does that allow for flying in a real cub, or is that still to tall?-Spencer

Well my 6'4" friend will fit but that's pushing it! I'm sure he'll be reading this... "Hi Thomas!" :biggrin:The front seat is especially short in the leg area. Getting in and out is a problem for tall folks, too. It's an art for any stature.

Well my 6'4" friend will fit but that's pushing it! I'm sure he'll be reading this... "Hi Thomas!" :biggrin:The front seat is especially short in the leg area. Getting in and out is a problem for tall folks, too. It's an art for any stature.

My legs are VERY long and my knees generaly reside about 4-6" into the firewall for most small planes C-152, Aeronca, sailplanes, etc. and most economy class flights. I took a United 747-400 flight from SFO to Hong Kong in CHINESE sized economy class seat, it was a miserable 12 hours!!! :( Also my right leg is 2" longer than left and have to wear a large 2" lift in that shoe, to minimize scholeosis effects.BB

Wow, dead sticked a 767 with a dash of side slip? Good pilot, aside from forgetting to fill th plane up with fuel.One of the things I want to try is to see how easy it is to dead stick land the pMDG NGX.

It was a pretty amazing piece of airmanship. I don't think the pilot got enough credit for that one. In fact he was demoted to first officer for 6 months after that.