August 10, 201114 yr Hi all,At what height do you flare and also at what height to you put throttles to idle on landing phase?I noticed that this aircraft seems to "float" much more easily.What is the common practice? Thanks,Christos
August 10, 201114 yr Please read the NGX Introduction .pdf that comes with the plane...it provides the information you're looking for. That section on what the beta testers want you to know is revealing. And it's 10-15 feet BTW. Wayne KlocknerUnited Virtual
August 10, 201114 yr 10-15 Landings after, i can land smooth and safe. Now I love the touchdown. Flare is very light; just two or three smooth degrees, and let the airflow do the job. Regards. Miquel Egea.
August 10, 201114 yr Author It doesn't say though at what height throttles should be put to idle. Christos
August 10, 201114 yr It doesn't say though at what height throttles should be put to idle.When you start flaring. Dmitriy Kotov If it is not IFR conditions it is not fun.
August 10, 201114 yr Assuming you're landing with autothrottle engaged, which is what Boeing recommends, they will automatically disengage when they sense weight on the landing gear. I pull my throttle back to idle, with A/T engaged, after passing below decision height. Wayne KlocknerUnited Virtual
August 11, 201114 yr Well, I have exactly the same problem. Landing with A/T, flaring veeery slightly at 10 feet and the plane floats or even sometimes climbs couple of feets over the runway. I always check the reference speed, which for flaps 30 is usually about 140 - 142 kt. I usually add 5 to this. Any advice is much appreciated. Cheers Sebastian
August 11, 201114 yr i'd help you if i could but im still trying to kick the MD11 flaring habit, each time i try to land this thing i scramble for the reversers and then start picturing it at the end of the runway in 3 pieces Bryan Richards "People depend so much on automation that they forget how to get the automation to work." B.W.
August 11, 201114 yr 737 NG: I learnt somr trick from a 737 crew for some time ago: At final approach, VREF + 5 kts, at threshold VREF, and finally at touch down VREF - 5 kts. If you try to practice this, your landings will be like a pro! I have study many 737 NG films and often around as high as 20 feet AGL the thrust is set to idle, at 10 feet AGL the engines should be spooling down towards idle. At around 20 feet AGL I start to flare (adjust positive 3 degrees). The ground effect is pretty high at the 737 800 (it seems to) so dont be afraid of moderate flaring! : ) Give it a try and let me hear what you think : )
August 11, 201114 yr Throttles should be smoothly reduced to idle at about 30 feet, while slight pull on yoke.. Reason you float is because you're probably flaring too late and over compensating.. Looking down the far end of runway is the best way to get the hang of it..
August 12, 201114 yr The flight model is a bit floaty, text book flare will have you landing a little long. Don't know if it's the ground effect modeling or the idle thrust model. In the real jet on a stabilized approach, if you add 2 to 3 degrees with a slow power pull a little after the 30 feet call and the jet will fly onto the runway. carrying extra speed and working the greaser will have you floating. a normal flare usually puts you down about 3 seconds after about 1200ish down the runway. In this model i find that pulling the power at 100ft and flaring in between the 30 and 20ft call out puts you in the sweet spot. Rick D http://g5flyer.tumblr.com/
August 12, 201114 yr Assuming you're landing with autothrottle engaged, which is what Boeing recommends, they will automatically disengage when they sense weight on the landing gear. I pull my throttle back to idle, with A/T engaged, after passing below decision height. Manual landing with AT on is SO ugly. Best regards, Fritz ESSONO
August 12, 201114 yr Im doing a good job so far with the NGX.. I actually manage to manually land in PAJN (Juneau, AK) and touch down smoothly in the center line... Im so proud of myself... Only if I could be flying in real life.. lol... but everyone saying is true around 20-30 feet spool down the engines and start flaring about 3 degrees and you'll touch down beautifully... Carlitos Colon....
August 12, 201114 yr Hi all,At what height do you flare and also at what height to you put throttles to idle on landing phase?I noticed that this aircraft seems to "float" much more easily.What is the common practice? Thanks,Christos Since NGX is a lighter aircraft, it has a more tendency to float unlike the 747. In all my landings, I usually land at Vref + 5 to set a safety margin for stalls. At 30 feet, bring the throttle to IDLE. The plane will slowly bring itself to a nose-up attitude. At 10-15 feet, perform the flare. If the aircraft floats, then it means you have performed the FLARE prematurely... Have fun! Roy Joven T. Benzonan AS136 - AirSource Virtual Pilot Union Acer Aspire 5738G, Intel Core 2 Duo (2.2Ghz), 4GB RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon (512MB graphics), Windows 7 (64-bit) Add-ons: Radar Contact V4, Activesky Evolution, FDC Live Cockpit Flight Planning: FSBuild2, Navigraph nDAC3 Aircrafts: PMDG NGX/747-8i, LDS 767, CS C130
August 12, 201114 yr According to the manual, you should flare the 737 at 10 feet agl. The reason for this is because the 737 is a very slippery plane, so if you flare any higher you're gonna float half down the runway. You also retard the throttles at this altitude. Hope this helps, and happy landings! :) --- MSFS | DCS | X-plane 12
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