No problem Oliver ;) No need to clarify ;)

Great. Just wanted to make sure ;-)Oliver BranaschkySent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ok, then:The answer, without going Off Topic, is:IRS give necessary information to the YD.It is a good answer? It is not OT, it gives the requested answer without going out of the discussion...Another answer could be: "it is required in accordance with FCOM vol 2 page 429.Another one "read the manual"Both without going OT and answering to the question...Is what you want? Is the best thing for training?I don't think...

That's the perfect answer to give during your oral exam for a type rating. Answer the question, nothing more. If the examiner wants more information he will ask further questions.Good answer for testing, not the best for training.

Talk about poor targeting. I can see the justification at taking aim at one of the members here, but for the life of me, I can't see where Andrea said anything at all to slight anyone.That aside, Andrea, your posts helped me learn something tonight and that's why the forum is here. Thanks.

I wasn't targeting anyone, my post was meant to lighten things up a bit.Anyone who's ever taken an oral would understand.

...a pointless display of knowledge - sciolistic...

Utilise - as defined by the Australian Oxford dictionary - "Verb - makes practical use of; turn to account; use effectively".

Yes...because quoting dictionary's and asking others to look up the word "sciolistic" isn't being "sciolistic" yourself....sighI just want to add, and it's bloody terrible that we need to remind some people every once a while, but Andrea is the real deal guys, and his access to and wealth of knowledge will only allow others to learn and understand the 737 so much more. There is absolutely no need to attack him because of (what I preceive is) some sort of strange jealousy of access or knowledge.I dabble in the maintenance profession as well, and just because we ain't the fanciest looking guys at the pointy end, the reality is neither profession exists without the other.Keep on helping out Andrea, you are a great contributer to this forum and I think it's brilliant you take your time and allow others to benefit from what sounds like a deep-rooted passion and pride for what you do.

Yes...because quoting dictionary's and asking others to look up the word "sciolistic" isn't being "sciolistic" yourself....sighI just want to add, and it's bloody terrible that we need to remind some people every once a while, but Andrea is the real deal guys, and his access to and wealth of knowledge will only allow others to learn and understand the 737 so much more. There is absolutely no need to attack him because of (what I preceive is) some sort of strange jealousy of access or knowledge.I dabble in the maintenance profession as well, and just because we ain't the fanciest looking guys at the pointy end, the reality is neither profession exists without the other.Keep on helping out Andrea, you are a great contributer to this forum and I think it's brilliant you take your time and allow others to benefit from what sounds like a deep-rooted passion and pride for what you do.

Jealous? I think not Patrick. I spend more time in and around -800's and -400's than I do in and around my car each day (when I say day, I mean when I'm on shift). I've learnt, continue to learn and re-learn the intricacies of these machines and the fundamentals behind their operation; I take for granted the role I have in Aussie aviation, and the knowledge I possess of these aircraft types, which is why I participate in this forum, to share, within reason, what I have come to know about this ship; I also strongly encourage others to do so; Andrea is no exception. I did not call for the cessation of his/her participation; rather, for him/her to exercise forethought prior to posting.Jealous? I think not.Ashley Frew.PS. I am not a pilot... at all... no pilots license... nada... don't intend to become one... best left to those who are pilot material.

Edited January 28, 201214 yr by Avroboeing

Yes...because quoting dictionary's and asking others to look up the word "sciolistic" isn't being "sciolistic" yourself....sighI just want to add, and it's bloody terrible that we need to remind some people every once a while, but Andrea is the real deal guys, and his access to and wealth of knowledge will only allow others to learn and understand the 737 so much more. There is absolutely no need to attack him because of (what I preceive is) some sort of strange jealousy of access or knowledge.I dabble in the maintenance profession as well, and just because we ain't the fanciest looking guys at the pointy end, the reality is neither profession exists without the other.Keep on helping out Andrea, you are a great contributer to this forum and I think it's brilliant you take your time and allow others to benefit from what sounds like a deep-rooted passion and pride for what you do.

The method I used is a training for you and also for me, don't forget that my company doesn't have anymore NGs in the fleet. So, my only chance to remain trained on it is to continously check the manual (that is beginning to be pretty old).So, If I remember an item I will post it without checking, but most of the time, if I'm unsure, I check on the manuals this blocking me of posting errors.But, I posted also wrong things in the past, as some items are shared with the classics.I don't know everything, I'm far far away from it, and don't want to do, but, I find this forum, answering in an extensive way to the questions a way for MY training, and hopefully for you all.Not a sciolistic thing.A training way for all.

Jealous? I think not Patrick. I spend more time in and around -800's and -400's than I do in and around my car each day (when I say day, I mean when I'm on shift). I've learnt, continue to learn and re-learn the intricacies of these machines and the fundamentals behind their operation; I take for granted the role I have in Aussie aviation, and the knowledge I possess of these aircraft types, which is why I participate in this forum, to share, within reason, what I have come to know about this ship; I also strongly encourage others to do so; Andrea is no exception. I did not call for the cessation of his/her participation; rather, for him/her to exercise forethought prior to posting.Jealous? I think not.Ashley Frew.PS. I am not a pilot... at all... no pilots license... nada... don't intend to become one... best left to those who are pilot material.

I have to wonder...Why is it you, and exactly just you, who has the right way of determining just what amount of information is, as you put it, within reason.I, for one, always find Andreas posts well-thought-out, informative, and educational, and so I very much enjoy reading them.Whereas you come out of nowhere, contribute next to nothing, and all you do is attack one of the most knowledgeable and respectable people in the forum.If I were to decide which of you two gets a pass to stay, and which one of you should be going from the forum... yeah, it would not be hard.

I wasn't targeting anyone, my post was meant to lighten things up a bit.Anyone who's ever taken an oral would understand.

Joe - I was referring to another poster. Sorry I didn't make that more clear. I fully understood your intentions.

I, for one, always find Andreas posts well-thought-out, informative, and educational, and so I very much enjoy reading them.

+10//irony alert!!//(I'm a sciolist and a pedant!)What is it with some forums? Especially parts of AVSIM? (in my admittedly limited public forum knowledge; I've only been using them since 1994) - I'm on a quite a few "specialist" forums, and on none of them do I see the kind of spontaneous, regularly spouted one-upmanship and downright rudeness that goes on at AVSIM..it's as if, collectively, we have decided that, as flyers of pretend aeroplanes that we are somehow entitled to be rude and dismisive of helpful people. I've said it before (as have countless others on this and other AVSIM boards): if you don't like what is said - don't read it! It really is that simple!! Even easier than falling of the ground (which I can do better than you btw, and I have producecd a 15-page document on how to do it "properly")It has nothing to do with being/not being a pilot, I don't think..It's just the way some people like to be..RW ATP's probably give concise answers as that's the way it works in their office..They don't have time for lengthy explanations; that and they, and their workmates, already know it! We don't! Leave our sciolists alone!!Sorry to go OT again, but I too really like Andrea's posts (but I thought you were female - I'm sorry!!) Do you/did you work in aviation or are you just better at retaining info than the rest of us? :)Keep it up please - I'm not a RW NG driver, but I do fly GA and I really like reading manuals (really) so to have a living manual, like Andrea, is something special for me :) I work in very heavy IT, and I have to give over-simplified explanations to people who could care less every day, so it's great to actually soak up some useful, hardcore info for a changebestjakep.s and no, I'm not trying to turn this into a flame war before someone has a dig at me for defending ppls rights to speak their brains...

Edited January 30, 201214 yr by quadraspleen

Well Andrea's a AME/A&P/Tech (or whatever you call it in your respective jurisdictions) so he knows his stuff.Pilots arn't the end all resource when it comes to this stuff, and I'm glad he is around. :)

+10//irony alert!!//(I'm a sciolist and a pedant!)What is it with some forums? Especially parts of AVSIM? (in my admittedly limited public forum knowledge; I've only been using them since 1994) - I'm on a quite a few "specialist" forums, and on none of them do I see the kind of spontaneous, regularly spouted one-upmanship and downright rudeness that goes on at AVSIM..it's as if, collectively, we have decided that, as flyers of pretend aeroplanes that we are somehow entitled to be rude and dismisive of helpful people. I've said it before (as have countless others on this and other AVSIM boards): if you don't like what is said - don't read it! It really is that simple!! Even easier than falling of the ground (which I can do better than you btw, and I have producecd a 15-page document on how to do it "properly")

If you take a glance at psychology, and the psychology of certain personality types, you'll see the reasons why:The following contains strokes painted with a very broad brush:First, the pilot personality is generally type-a, and often seeks to move ahead (which in some cases results in a need to prove that you are, in fact, ahead).Second, the personality of those interested in computers tends to be one that suffers from a little anti-socialism, which exacerbates online disagreements for a few reasons: lack of tact, and a frustrated sense of showing skill (most people associated with computer skills aren't those you normally see popular in a public setting, so semi-public settings like this are their only chance to prove skill/knowledge). Therefore, it's here that they attempt to show it, but at the same time hide their actual credentials (RW experience and so on).Those two personality types typically combine into a type-a mess, that struggles with social hierarchy and calculates self-worth through social validation (even though they'd never admit it). Those together result in some of the outbursts you see here. Someone posts something in paraphrase, attempting to accurately explain something, yet not confuse the end recipient and gets picked apart because it's an easy target for those who need to validate themselves through displaying their "superior" knowledge publicly.I don't think it's necessarily this forum inherently, it's just the combination of personality types that are interested in a forum such as this one.

These blokes need to go to the pub, down a few beers and forget about it! Come on, you can all be mates!