Mad dog, no one has to settle for less, because Flight is not a replacement for FSX (at least not for now). You still get to use FSX, and 3PDs will still be releasing new/updated products for it. Nothing is being taken away.Flight is an expansion of what we all have available to us as a flightsim community, just like AeroFly's flight simulator is an expansion. No flightsim is for everyone, but I cannot see how having more choices available is a bad thing.I prefer small aircraft, so I've enjoyed Flight . . . and it really does do some things better than FSX (in my opinion), and I'm currently using Flight more than FSX (part of which is due to being a beta tester).But I also love flying helicopters, so (for now) if I want to fly a helicopter, I have to use one of my other flightsims (FSX, X-Plane 9, or Blackshark). No flightsim is ever going to please everyone, which is why most of us own more than one.

Edited February 13, 201214 yr by Arwen

The limited hardware support is something I doubt will ever be addressed, and so my interest in that side of the hobby will always keep me away from MS Flight!, the fact that prop and mixture controls were added so late in the development process shows that MS does not understand this aspect of the hobby, very little chance that all of my Goflight stuff will ever work.

It's sad to see so much lack of understanding of what Flight really is.Howard (Microsoft) said: - “It’s a more robust flight model under the covers than FSX ever had. The airplanes in this are more finely tuned than any of the airplanes in our products have been. We’ve had the luxury of time and a better engine. One of the reasons is that there’s no backward-compatibility to Flight Simulator.The Flight Sim franchise, for years, was trying to support this external range of products that were being developed. While that’s an exciting ecosystem and continues to be for FSX, the weight of carrying all that forward really limited our opportunities, performance-wise, accessibility-wise, sophistication-wise. By cutting with the past, building a better product, a better simulation, we were able to do things that we couldn’t have done in FSX.We are running a service now, not just shipping a piece of software. It means I have to build a team and an organization that can always do three, four, five things at once, because I’m supporting the current release, I’ve got somebody working on the next release, I’ve got somebody working on the release after the next release and I’ve probably got somebody planning the next big expansion after that. Microsoft Flight leverages the best of what core fans have always loved about the franchise; it’s about growing the experience, not watering it down."If - your "Goflight stuff will ever work" - don't blame Microsoft. Blame Goflight. :(

If - your "Goflight stuff will ever work" - don't blame Microsoft. Blame Goflight.

HelloSo it's Goflights fault that there is no SDK ?

It's sad to see so much lack of understanding of what Flight really is.

HelloI can see very well what Flight! is at this point , after all I am using it.

Edited February 13, 201214 yr by mad dog

So it's Goflights fault that there is no SDK ?

Do you think it's good for Microsoft' business if my "Goflight stuff will ever work"? (MS isn't stupid).

I can see very well what Flight! is at this point , after all I am using it.

But, unfortunately, you don't see the business ideas behind the product?

Edited February 13, 201214 yr by torium

I've got 6 goflight modules.Some switches and the gear/flaps/trim module would be great for Flight. It would make sense both for the hardware manufacturers and ms to make thus work - will be interesting to see how ms approaches this.

Do you think it's good for Microsoft' business if my "Goflight stuff will ever work"? (MS isn't stupid).

HelloAs anyone who owns hardware such as Goflight will tell you, it enhances the simulation experience.Why would MS not wish to have support for something like this when including it "adds" to the Flight! experience, enhances their product and draws in even more customers ?.Hardly any work on their part and even more customers to buy their DLC.

But, unfortunately, you don't see the business ideas behind the product?

It is called "dumbsizing". Let's see if it works or if it will be another Microsoft Bob/WinMe/Vista/WindowsCE. MS isn't stupid, but could hit some spectacular failures too, especially lately.

Hi,Well said Tom! Yours is that much needed voice of reason.I haven't posted in a while, but am never very far away from AVSIM and, truth be said, I have been following the gloom and doom postings regarding Flight with a degree of sadness and disappontment.Speaking as one who still has FSX and FS9 installed (after all that work and angst I'm reluctant to abandon either..lol) but rarely fired up these days, I'm looking forward to this new slant on our favourite pastime if only because it may get me back into this hobby again.Much as it pains me to be saying this, I do believe that this time Microsoft may, contrary to popular opinion, have all their bases covered with Flight. It wouldn't come as any surprise to me to learn that Flight has code built into it right now that would enable a relatively smooth transition, sometime in the future, into something we recognise as a true flight simulator. But first things first, they need to see how Flight will appeal to the wider audience and then, based on that success and, should there still be a demand for it, they may be in a position to move Flight on up to the next level and this could run parallel with the original base product. Perhaps it's just wishful thinking on my part, but abandoning the longstanding Flight Simulator franchise after all these years does seem an unlikely scenario in view of the huge industry and support that has grown around it. I suspect Flight will evolve into something truly great if given half a chance.Mike

HelloAs anyone who owns hardware such as Goflight will tell you, it enhances the simulation experience.Why would MS not wish to have support for something like this when including it "adds" to the Flight! experience, enhances their product and draws in even more customers ?.Hardly any work on their part and even more customers to buy their DLC.

Exactly. Why?Yes, Goflight will enhances the simulation experience = good for Flight = good for Microsoft = $$$$.For that very reason Howard (Microsoft) said: - "It’s about growing the experience, not watering it down."

Exactly. Why?Yes, Goflight will enhances the simulation experience = good for Flight = good for Microsoft = $$$$.For that very reason Howard (Microsoft) said: - "It’s about growing the experience, not watering it down."

I think he misunderstood your statement in your earlier post. You two are on the same line.

Speaking as one who still has FSX and FS9 installed (after all that work and angst I'm reluctant to abandon either..lol) but rarely fired up these days, I'm looking forward to this new slant on our favourite pastime if only because it may get me back into this hobby again

My likes and dislikes in respect of flight sims is almost identical to those of Arwin. I have FS2004 and FSX installed as well. My plan is that Flight will take the place of FS2004 and I will continue to use FSX for controlled IFR flight.

I am certainly going to give Flight a fair chance. I enjoy change !Fred.

Thats the spirit.Mr. Allensworth is completely on track: Those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know.I am new to this forum, but I have been a Flight Simulator enthusiast for over 25 years, and have enjoyed every installment, have bought a lot of hardware and add-ons too.The point of our hobby is Flying, isn’t it? Well, I have tried Ms Flight and it is about flying.Test pilots live to try new aircraft, new systems, etc. and probably many of us at one time or another has dreamed of being a test pilot.So let’s do the test pilot thing and give Flight a fair chance.If we don’t like it, we can always go back to the Flight Simulator of our choice. But if we do, we can have both.Only one supplier, only one distribution channel are hard to accept, I don’t know how that will work out, but who knows what will happen in the future? Not you, not me, not anybody here.Maybe new markets evolve. Interested newcomers are probably going to need hardware (joysticks, pedals, instruments), and some percentage of them might want a more “sophisticated” Flight Simulator, then they will have the option to move on, to FSX or whatever they choose and buy existing or new add-ons. Sales might soar.(We might have many questions, but none of us has the correct answers. All I can say is; what worries me is the DLC concept: its price, its content and its timely delivery)Cheers.

Edited February 14, 201214 yr by Kabronicus

Thats the spirit.Mr. Allensworth is completely on track: Those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know.I am new to this forum, but I have been a Flight Simulator enthusiast for over 25 years, and have enjoyed every installment, have bought a lot of hardware and add-ons too.The point of our hobby is Flying, isn’t it? Well, I have tried Ms Flight and it is about flying.Test pilots live to try new aircraft, new systems, etc. and probably many of us at one time or another has dreamed of being a test pilot.So let’s do the test pilot thing and give Flight a fair chance.If we don’t like it, we can always go back to the Flight Simulator of our choice. But if we do, we can have both.Only one supplier, only one distribution channel are hard to accept, I don’t know how that will work out, but who knows what will happen in the future? Not you, not me, not anybody here.Maybe new markets evolve. Interested newcomers are probably going to need hardware (joysticks, pedals, instruments), and some percentage of them might want a more “sophisticated” Flight Simulator, then they will have the option to move on, to FSX or whatever they choose and buy existing or new add-ons. Sales might soar.(We might have many questions, but none of us has the correct answers. All I can say is; what worries me is the DLC concept: its price, its content and its timely delivery)Cheers.

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Edited February 14, 201214 yr by Gundamnitpete