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wow very interesting. is am a regular plane spotter in Miami and when the First Lufthansa A380 flew into kmia i was there and this plane and a DC-3 landed just before it.

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Pretty amazing video. I love those guys.

 

Man how I wish I could fly a fifth of the planes they've enjoyed flying.

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wow very interesting. is am a regular plane spotter in Miami and when the First Lufthansa A380 flew into kmia i was there and this plane and a DC-3 landed just before it.

I was there too, I also spot at KMIA!!!

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Thanks for sharing!!

 

Interesting video... Come to think of it, I have kind of forgotten about the upcoming DC-6 until you reminded me with this! ^_^

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Great stuff. The comment that it is completely different than the 6 (presumably the DC-6) was interesting, as was the comment about the Flight Engineer. It will be interesting to fly a PMDG sim without a flight engineer.

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How different are the dash 6 and 7? I noticed JustPlanes have a DVD using this same aircraft I believe and I was thinking of purchasing it to learn some more about the systems as the PMDG DC-6 nears release.

 

Rich

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How different are the dash 6 and 7? I noticed JustPlanes have a DVD using this same aircraft I believe and I was thinking of purchasing it to learn some more about the systems as the PMDG DC-6 nears release.

 

Rich

 

Sry, it seems as if you have mixed together 4 aircraft :LMAO:

PMDG is modeling the DC-6 http://en.wikipedia....ki/Douglas_DC-6 and the aircraft similar to that one is the DC-7 http://en.wikipedia....ki/Douglas_DC-7 (not 100% sure)

The Dash 6 is actually the Twin Otter http://en.wikipedia....HC-6_Twin_Otter and the Dash 7 is this one http://en.wikipedia....d_Canada_Dash_7 which have nothing to do with DC (Douglas Corporation).

Hope this clears your mind

 

Regards

Manfred

 

EDIT: The Dash 7 is quite similar to the Dash 8 that PMDG wanted to develop, but have delayed indefinitely.

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Sry, it seems as if you have mixed together 4 aircraft :LMAO:

PMDG is modeling the DC-6 http://en.wikipedia....ki/Douglas_DC-6 and the aircraft similar to that one is the DC-7 http://en.wikipedia....ki/Douglas_DC-7 (not 100% sure)

The Dash 6 is actually the Twin Otter http://en.wikipedia....HC-6_Twin_Otter and the Dash 7 is this one http://en.wikipedia....d_Canada_Dash_7 which have nothing to do with DC (Douglas Corporation).

Hope this clears your mind

 

Regards

Manfred

 

EDIT: The Dash 7 is quite similar to the Dash 8 that PMDG wanted to develop, but have delayed indefinitely.

 

Seems you have been confused with how I phrased the question. I meant dash 6 as in DC-6 or dash 7 as in DC-7 not the Twin Otter. For example if we were talking about the 737 I could say the dash 9 is my favourite meaning the -(dash) 900.

 

Rich

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Other than size? The -7 is bigger.

 

Do they both have engineers? I thought the -6 was a two pilot aircraft until I saw an ad for a dc-6 flight engineer position.

 

Lee

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It depends on how the cockpit has been modified. Like the 727 used to require 3 and now most have been reconfigured for 2 pilots. An aircraft with a required flight engineer station now adays is like a finacial ball and chain tied around the tail.

 

I for one am looking more foreward to the DC6 than anything right now.

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Seems you have been confused with how I phrased the question. I meant dash 6 as in DC-6 or dash 7 as in DC-7 not the Twin Otter. For example if we were talking about the 737 I could say the dash 9 is my favourite meaning the -(dash) 900.

 

Rich

 

woops, and I thought that I could contribute with something smart :P Sorry about that, I should have figured it out by myself that my interpretation was too wrong, especially with your DC (dash) 9 avatar ^_^

 

Manfred

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woops, and I thought that I could contribute with something smart :P Sorry about that, I should have figured it out by myself that my interpretation was too wrong, especially with your DC (dash) 9 avatar ^_^

 

Manfred

 

It's probably a stupid way to write things a lil bit confusing. Anyway anybody know the differences other than size between the DC-6 and the DC-7? ^_^

 

Rich

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It depends on how the cockpit has been modified. Like the 727 used to require 3 and now most have been reconfigured for 2 pilots. An aircraft with a required flight engineer station now adays is like a finacial ball and chain tied around the tail.

 

I for one am looking more foreward to the DC6 than anything right now.

 

This is something that I've always wondered. How easy is it to make a cockpit like a 727 a two man cockpit? Must be cheaper than a flight engineer anyway.

 

And the Russian planes that are still being used with navigators I always thought they could be replaced with a gps, no need to put it in the panel you can put it on top

 

Lee

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Remember, GPS is still owned and operated by the US government with a "we can shut it down or sabatoge it at any point" disclaimer. A lot of countries, especially Russia and the EU, are trying to get away from our US GPS Satellites because of their reluctance to trust us. I've heard the EU is trying to construct their own network of satellites - Not sure about Russia, but it could potentially explain their reluctance to care about GPS as much as we do. [i think they care more about GLONASS but if I recall it's not as reliable]

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It depends on how the cockpit has been modified. Like the 727 used to require 3 and now most have been reconfigured for 2 pilots. An aircraft with a required flight engineer station now adays is like a finacial ball and chain tied around the tail.

 

I for one am looking more foreward to the DC6 than anything right now.

Converting a 727 to two crew operation is no simple matter, and would involve recertification. I haven't head of any being converted to two crew, let alone most of them. It would take an awful lot of F/E's salaries to pay for the engineering work required to automate his crew function.

 

A flight engineer in the crew on a remote cargo operation is worth his weight in gold.

 

I'm puzzled why people are wondering how PMDG will cope with modelling a 3 crew plane. It's not as if it hasn't been done before. The RFP 747 had a complex F/E station for example, and the A2A B377 is a directly comparable complex add-on.

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Converting a 727 to two crew operation is no simple matter, and would involve recertification. I haven't head of any being converted to two crew, let alone most of them. It would take an awful lot of F/E's salaries to pay for the engineering work required to automate his crew function.

 

I'm puzzled why people are wondering how PMDG will cope with modelling a 3 crew plane. It's not as if it hasn't been done before. The RFP 747 had a complex F/E station for example, and the A2A B377 is a directly comparable complex add-on.

 

Well, for instance, Trump's plane is a 727, I'm curious how that's been retrofitted for 2 person crew, for example, if it has. As for sims with three persons, I think they've made a point about saying they aren't going to do an A2A style simulation. Maybe something like FSLabs virtual F/E for the concorde. I'm looking forward to the plane either way, but I find some of the implementation questions interesting. And, tying back to the OP, the video the guy talks about the challenges with an old plane with more than the average number of engine issues. (Which we know won't be as big an issue since there isn't a failure model, but they have said engine management will be a skill you will need to develop.) All very fascinating, as sim musings go.

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maybe an fs3crew????? :Praying:

 

thats what im hoping for

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Well, for instance, Trump's plane is a 727, I'm curious how that's been retrofitted for 2 person crew, for example, if it has. As for sims with three persons, I think they've made a point about saying they aren't going to do an A2A style simulation. Maybe something like FSLabs virtual F/E for the concorde. I'm looking forward to the plane either way, but I find some of the implementation questions interesting. And, tying back to the OP, the video the guy talks about the challenges with an old plane with more than the average number of engine issues. (Which we know won't be as big an issue since there isn't a failure model, but they have said engine management will be a skill you will need to develop.) All very fascinating, as sim musings go.

Trump's 727 hasn't even been fitted with more efficient engines, though it has winglets, so I doubt they did any flightdeck conversions though no doubt it has modern avionics, not the original 1968 fit! To go two crew you would need to automate much of the F/E station, and find space to relocate the controls and indications on the overhead. He could afford it no doubt, but it's much cheaper to employ a flight engineer who would also be useful when things go wrong in out of the way airports.

 

Back on topic, you can put the A2A B377 F/E in automatic mode and you have a virtual F/E, just like FSLabs Concorde. I don't see a significant difference in philosophy, apart from the enhanced modelling inherent with accu-sim. I think it's a bit unfortuante PMDG chose to develop the DC-6B when Just Flight already had one about to be released. A bit more variety in the prop simulation market would be nice, but that's life I suppose.

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Trump's 727 hasn't even been fitted with more efficient engines, though it has winglets, so I doubt they did any flightdeck conversions though no doubt it has modern avionics, not the original 1968 fit! To go two crew you would need to automate much of the F/E station, and find space to relocate the controls and indications on the overhead. He could afford it no doubt, but it's much cheaper to employ a flight engineer who would also be useful when things go wrong in out of the way airports.

 

Back on topic, you can put the A2A B377 F/E in automatic mode and you have a virtual F/E, just like FSLabs Concorde. I don't see a significant difference in philosophy, apart from the enhanced modelling inherent with accu-sim. I think it's a bit unfortuante PMDG chose to develop the DC-6B when Just Flight already had one about to be released. A bit more variety in the prop simulation market would be nice, but that's life I suppose.

 

Trump actually sold the 727 (VP-BDJ) to a charter company that I believe is based in Malaysia. Shortly after he sold it it came through the airport I used to work at, still in that same paint but with different titles. There was still a Flight Engineer on the plane, so it never got refit for 2 crew ops. I'm not sure that's even possible. Trump since bought Paul Allen's old 757 (N757AF) and fully re-did it, including new engines.

 

Old:

VP-BDJ-Private-Boeing-727-200_PlanespottersNet_198601.jpg

 

New:

N757AF-DJT-Operations-Boeing-757-200_PlanespottersNet_252607.jpg

 

Anyway, what were we talking about again?

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Yup, I'm curious as to how far off this baby is too, since it does look very complete on the screenshots we have seen and I'm wondering why it hasn't got a sub forum like the 777 has because of that. I'm actually far more interested in this than the forthcoming Triple Seven to be honest, I'm really looking forward to seeing what PMDG can do with a classic propliner.

 

Al

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yeah im eagerly awaiting this too.

 

I think im waiting for the T7 more, but this will really be a fun plane...

 

surely theyre in beta?

 

lee

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