Hi Guys,

 

After having purchased Just Flight's 757, I taught it was really good experience.

 

Just flew back to Dublin on a Delta 767 last week from Atlanta , and I'm interested in adding a 767 to my fleet but would like to ask the community which one offers the most.

 

I am aware there are 767's available from Captain Sim, Level D and Quality Wings.

 

But am unsure of which one to get..

 

Frame Rates are not an issue, just built a high end Intel i7 system this January.

 

Whichever one is the latest and offers the most realistic experience is the one I'd go for.

 

Also let me know of known issues with the add on's if you have encountered any.

 

Thanks

 

Rob,

Hi,

Well first off, Quality Wings hasn't built a 767, only Level-D and Captain Sim have. I don't have the Level-D, but the general consensus is that the Level-D plane excels in the systems category, and is said to have the best VNAV performance of any payware commercial airliner. However, Level-D is not so good in the visuals category, the VC has lower-quality textures than the Captain Sim one, and doesn't have the 15 opening doors that you must have for a successful payware aircraft :Just Kidding:

 

The Captain Sim bird apparently is missing some things in the VC, and has some bugs that could affect you, but I think the latest SP has fixed them for most. VNAV and LNAV can be sketchy at times, and I never take my eyes of the FMC just to make sure it doesn't calculate a crazy TOD. But, like I said, apparently VC textures are better, and has some nice liveries. I'm unsure of the FPS difference of both planes.

 

And that last pic is of a Delta 777

Level-D by far! The others might have more eye candy, but Level-D does a fantastic job with systems.

No Brainer, Level-D. Get Paulos VC update for the visuals.

Hi,

Well first off, Quality Wings hasn't built a 767, only Level-D and Captain Sim have. I don't have the Level-D, but the general consensus is that the Level-D plane excels in the systems category, and is said to have the best VNAV performance of any payware commercial airliner. However, Level-D is not so good in the visuals category, the VC has lower-quality textures than the Captain Sim one, and doesn't have the 15 opening doors that you must have for a successful payware aircraft :Just Kidding:

 

The Captain Sim bird apparently is missing some things in the VC, and has some bugs that could affect you, but I think the latest SP has fixed them for most. VNAV and LNAV can be sketchy at times, and I never take my eyes of the FMC just to make sure it doesn't calculate a crazy TOD. But, like I said, apparently VC textures are better, and has some nice liveries. I'm unsure of the FPS difference of both planes.

 

And that last pic is of a Delta 777

 

Sorry, could of sworn Quality wings had one, I changed the pic, well spotted,

 

Well apparently the Cabin of the CS 767 is fully usable, apparently you can open every overhead bin ?

 

Now thats detail for ya, Why cant PMDG put more effort into their cabins.... I mean the cockpit is second to none but the cabin is a load of rubbish compared to CS that's why I love Captain Sim for the detail they put in.

 

Only thing I don't like about the CS is the dodgy door openers, On the 757 it wouldnt tell me which doors are open or closed, and there is so many things to open on them such as the RAT Door and Apu intakes etc.

 

I sometimes end up taking off with cargo doors open lol.

 

But now GSX will tell me when they need to be opened and closed to hats off to them...

 

If the Level D flys better maybe I should get that one then.

 

Because I have encountered problems with my CS 757 it has compatibility issues with FSPUIC from Pete Dowson.

 

Sometimes the V nav would do crazy things... dont get me started on it.

 

Thanks for the feedback

No Brainer, Level-D. Get Paulos VC update for the visuals.

 

Link? I know of Andre Folker's VC textures. Are those the ones you're talking about?

PMDG doesn't do the interior cabins because it eats up valuable resources that are better utilized in the systems and VC. I am going to agree with others in this thread and recommend the Level D 767. Here is what it offers over the Captain Sim 767:

 

1. It has an SDK

2. FS2Crew voice support (and one of the best versions of FS2Crew to date)

3. Angle of Attack training (only very realistic aircraft have received training products from them)

4. First Officer callouts

5. Ground crew interactions

6. Failures are modeled

7. EPR ratings are functional and correct

8. All engine versions are accurately modeled

9. All flight instruments are tied to their respective power busses and IRS

10. Better VNAV performance

11. Better autoland

12. Much better clickspot/knob interaction

13. Cabin temperature logic

14. More realistic flap deployment speed

15. Better load manager

16. Cabin pressurization is accurate

17. Better framerates

18. Multiple voice sets for pilots and ground crew

19. More "realistic" feeling flight dynamics (one of the nicest hand-flying airliners for FSX

20. FS9 and FSX support

PMDG doesn't do the interior cabins because it eats up valuable resources that are better utilized in the systems and VC. I am going to agree with others in this thread and recommend the Level D 767. Here is what it offers over the Captain Sim 767:

 

1. It has an SDK

2. FS2Crew voice support (and one of the best versions of FS2Crew to date)

3. Angle of Attack training (only very realistic aircraft have received training products from them)

4. First Officer callouts

5. Ground crew interactions

6. Failures are modeled

7. EPR ratings are functional and correct

8. All engine versions are accurately modeled

9. All flight instruments are tied to their respective power busses and IRS

10. Better VNAV performance

11. Better autoland

12. Much better clickspot/knob interaction

13. Cabin temperature logic

14. More realistic flap deployment speed

15. Better load manager

16. Cabin pressurization is accurate

17. Better framerates

18. Multiple voice sets for pilots and ground crew

19. More "realistic" feeling flight dynamics (one of the nicest hand-flying airliners for FSX

20. FS9 and FSX support

 

 

Great post, Fully informative

 

Looks like its the Level D then so.

 

Also could you inform me of what an SDK file is, I've seen them everywhere but haven't a clue what it is or what it does thanks.

Great post, Fully informative

 

Looks like its the Level D then so.

 

Also could you inform me of what an SDK file is, I've seen them everywhere but haven't a clue what it is or what it does thanks.

 

An SDK is a Software Developers Kit. It's what allows third party developers like FS2Crew and hardware devices to interact with functions of the aircraft.

An SDK is a Software Developers Kit. It's what allows third party developers like FS2Crew and hardware devices to interact with functions of the aircraft.

 

Oh right thanks,

 

I have a problem with my traffic programe called my traffic X,

 

Its telling me to run the FS SDK in order to change traffic schedules but I cant find it anywhere.

 

It says its located in the Main FS folder but I installed it to its own hard drive and it seems it didn't get it because its not on the C drive. Have you any idea where it might be located ?

Oh right thanks,

 

I have a problem with my traffic programe called my traffic X,

 

Its telling me to run the FS SDK in order to change traffic schedules but I cant find it anywhere.

 

It says its located in the Main FS folder but I installed it to its own hard drive and it seems it didn't get it because its not on the C drive. Have you any idea where it might be located ?

 

Sorry, not sure. You could try reinstalling the SDK and checking the file path that it wants to install to.

Sorry, not sure. You could try reinstalling the SDK and checking the file path that it wants to install to.

 

How do I install the SDK?

How do I install the SDK?

 

This should give you all the details on how to do it:

 

http://www.fsdeveloper.com/wiki/index.php?title=SDK_Installation_%28FSX%29

Don't forget the CLS one

Or the Aerosim one.

 

So that's CS, CLS, Level D and Aerosim who all make payware 767s for FSX.

 

Of those, the Level D one is the most accurate systems-wise, but it is the grimmest one graphically speaking, since it was modeled with consideration toward the FPS limitations FSX suffered at the time of its creation. That aside, it would be the one most people will recommend since its FMC feature modeling is very accurate indeed.

 

CS is the next most accurate one systems-wise, and shares the same decent graphics that most CS birds enjoy, but again like most CS birds, it has a few foibles which you might find yourself tweaking.

 

CLS is probably next in line systems-wise, and its graphically okay too, somewhat on the 'lite' side, but good fun.

 

Bringing up the rear would be Aerosim's, which is also unashamedly 'lite' as far as systems go, but is graphically very good. Like all Aerosim products however, it is pricey for what it is though.

 

If you like FS2Crew, then it is also worth noting that the Level D 767 is the one which has one of these available for it. And if you are interested in flying both the 757 and the 767 properly, then you might also want to check out this: http://secure.simmar...f-version.phtml

 

Al