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Are there any other tutorials for the PMDG 737 out there b esides the 2 flights that come with the 737,if anyone knows of one pleasde ,let me know.

 

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Vergil Marquardt

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thanks a lot for the informatrion,it looks like a good tutorial. I can use all the help I can get learning how to fly this bird/

 

Vergil Marquardt

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Just curious - what do you feel like you're missing after the two we wrote?

 

I know there's a few things like ETOPS operations that haven't been covered yet, but I tried to explain pretty much everything you'd need to successfully complete almost any flight in the two we made...

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Hello Vergil, If you have achieved all you need to know using the PMDG Tutorials supplied, then you do not need any more Tutorials. If you have any doubts, refer back to the PMDG Tutorials. richard welsh.

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Just curious - what do you feel like you're missing after the two we wrote?

Ryan, those two tutorials are brilliant, but for me, I have to be spoon fed. :Doh:

 

I know everything is in the FCTM, but I'm just not that clever enough to be able to convert the info there, to be able to do an RNAV or LOC/ Backcourse approach.

 

Also, I 'like' to fly with ATC but too tight to purchase any of the addons, so I'm stuck with FSX ATC, and we know what they're like.

 

So I'd like a general tutorial that shows us how to deal with approaches that aren't programmed in the FMC so I can still get to the runway at Vref say for example

 

14,000' set LVL chg 220 kts

Descending 8,000' to 2,000 ft set 170 kts

.3 miles from FAF set v/s blah blah blah...

 

You get my drift?

 

Cheers

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Timothy Metzinger wrote one for the NG. It's still fairly comprehensive and a good learning tool. Do a search. If you can't find it, PM me.

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So I'd like a general tutorial that shows us how to deal with approaches that aren't programmed in the FMC so I can still get to the runway at Vref say for example

 

FMC must be programmed to fly RNAV. And to get Vref you should to enter all PERF INIT data.

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FMC must be programmed to fly RNAV. And to get Vref you should to enter all PERF INIT data.

 

Yup I agree but If I end up following FSX ATC then their descent commands are usually different to the vertical path programmed into the FMC so I can't use VNAV.

 

As a result, speed copntrol goes out the window and I'm kinda lost as to when and where on the 'profile' to change/reduce speeds.

 

I know people say ignore the ATC, and I do, but sometimes I want to follow it.

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The tutorial by Tom Risager is very good indeed. So much so i had it printed into a softback book for quick reference. I particularly like the way he provides a bit of background detail as to why you need to do certain things in a certain order. It is easy to follow has plenty of images to help newbies like myself around the cockpit. It really is worth downloading.

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Also, I 'like' to fly with ATC but too tight to purchase any of the addons, so I'm stuck with FSX ATC, and we know what they're like.

 

No problem then. Stop using FSX ATC as it isn't realistic at all anyway and start flying online. There you'll get proper guidance and you can fly your approaches in LNAV/VNAV almost all the times. I guess you'll have those 15$ for a microphone left and everything else you'll need is free.

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I know people say ignore the ATC, and I do, but sometimes I want to follow it.

 

My problem is I am a shift worker and as a result I sim when I can and most of the times I end up pausing and saving a flight.

 

I know the FSX ATC isn't realistic, but I get bored of just fully flying a pre programmed route. I also like to react to the unexpected. This is why sometimes I use it.

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.3 miles from FAF set v/s blah blah blah...

You get my drift?

 

Ok. FAF on glideslope/path with angle of 3* and enter altitude of 2000' AFE is about 6.2 nm out of the runway. The easiest advice: take the waypoint 8-9nm out of TDZN, approach it at 2500-2000 feet, 30* difference between track and final course, flaps 5, flaps 5 command speed. After established set gear down select flaps 15, set flaps 15 speed, continue retract flaps on sheldue and set appropirate speed. At .2-.3 prior to FAF set negative V/S 1200-1000 fpm, in couple of seconds set V/S as written in table on approach chart (usually 700-800fpm). If you want you can try low drag approach: fly at flaps 5, flaps 5 speed, when 4 miles to runway set gear down, flaps 15 and do as normal. This is instrument approach using V/S, you can fly it in LNAV or using VOR/DME.

 

I would recommend to read text on SP.4.8 down to SP.4.13, read SP.4.4-4.5, NP.21.71-74.

FCTM 5.31 and down.

If it's too hard on SP.4.13 and in 5th chapter of FCTM you can find pictures.

 

I also like to react to the unexpected. This is why sometimes I use it.

 

I have flown with deafoult ATC for about one and a half year, i can say that its command are really expected. Sometimes i even can predict which heading does he give me in next moment.

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Thanks Rostyslav,

 

You meant the FCOM not the FCTM. I've been trying to make sense using the FCTM Chapter 5 and the FCOM references you've highlighted seem much more direct and to the point. So thanks again for that. I think I was getting caught up trying to learn and understand too much info...(so many manuals...so much info everywhere heh heh)

 

I think I've got my head around that, and my main issue now is getting to the right speed at the right place from in the descent.

 

I know there are many threads on how to slow the -800 down so I will have a look.

 

Thanks again

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Just curious - what do you feel like you're missing after the two we wrote?

 

I know there's a few things like ETOPS operations that haven't been covered yet, but I tried to explain pretty much everything you'd need to successfully complete almost any flight in the two we made...

 

Hi Ryan

 

Just wanted to let you know that the 2 tutorials you wrote are good,and I did fly the routes ok, but I can find the knobs,instrutments a little faster as he tells you where to find them,also explains what each one does,other wise like I say yours is good also.

hope I did not offend you in anyway,the PMDG 737 NGK is a fine airplane.

 

thanks

Vergil Marquardt

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You'll get a "Not Found" error when trying to download.

 

Peter, AVSim is updating the library tonight. It will be up by 12:00 noon EST tomorrow (June 1st).

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I am using stock atc as well, bad hearing so online atc is not for me.

one tip: watch the descent point on the ND, and ask atc a decrease descent before you reach that point, say you are on FL320, ask a 10.000 feet decrease.

Don't wait until atc tells you to descent, because from that point on you are "stuck" with their commands, and they often are far to late with their descent path.

 

happy flying,

 

Ton v Dongen.

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Peter, AVSim is updating the library tonight. It will be up by 12:00 noon EST tomorrow (June 1st).

 

Everything is back to normal and the good old one. Thank you.

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Just curious - what do you feel like you're missing after the two we wrote?

 

I know there's a few things like ETOPS operations that haven't been covered yet, but I tried to explain pretty much everything you'd need to successfully complete almost any flight in the two we made...

 

 

I just bought the 737 package, but the first thing I noticed is that there's a HUGE gap between where FSX lessons stop and the PMDG aircraft begins. What you get to process when doing the tutorials added to the package is so much, not to speak about the 4000 pages manual, that this maybe is understandable for professional pilots, or people with a huge FSX experience, but not for someone who wants to expand his basic FSX lessons.

Its nice that the tutorial tells you everything you need to enter, but for example, I wouldnt know where to find the information myself. The tutorial points you to the charts at the end of the document, but thats a very small chart, it doesnt tell me anything about a flight from Paris Orly, to Hamburg and even if it did, there are several different SIDs and I still wouldnt know which one to choose...

Or as I experienced, I was still reading about descent in tutorial #1, while my aircraft was already flying past Schiphol and that with the whole flight pre-programmed. I wouldnt know what to do if ATC would direct me to another runway for landing, then the one programmed in the 5-6minutes you have after ATC gives you those directions...

 

Reading and using chart information just isnt there in FSX itself, you get a setup route from the flightplanner. From what I see in the tutorials, we're expected to know from using flight planner and FSX's GPS, how to read charts and know how to choose from all the options, and have full understanding of the FMC. Sorry, but this is just not gonna happen...

 

And like myself, I've got a concentration dyslexia, reading those manuals is gonna cost me years and I can promiss you, after reading them, I wont know anything of what is explained in them, this is way, way, way too much at once.

What is missing is a quickstart guide, that teaches you how to start using the aircraft with the basics FSX has tought you, flying by flightplanner and FSX's GPS, leaving the FMC for what it is and from there, short tutorials that add one, or a few new lesson at a time.

 

What I would like to know is how to start flying with the lessons I've learned from the FSX aircrafts, so I can grow into using new items from there on.

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I just bought the 737 package, but the first thing I noticed is that there's a HUGE gap between where FSX lessons stop and the PMDG aircraft begins. What you get to process when doing the tutorials added to the package is so much, not to speak about the 4000 pages manual, that this maybe is understandable for professional pilots, or people with a huge FSX experience, but not for someone who wants to expand his basic FSX lessons.

Its nice that the tutorial tells you everything you need to enter, but for example, I wouldnt know where to find the information myself. The tutorial points you to the charts at the end of the document, but thats a very small chart, it doesnt tell me anything about a flight from Paris Orly, to Hamburg and even if it did, there are several different SIDs and I still wouldnt know which one to choose...

Or as I experienced, I was still reading about descent in tutorial #1, while my aircraft was already flying past Schiphol and that with the whole flight pre-programmed. I wouldnt know what to do if ATC would direct me to another runway for landing, then the one programmed in the 5-6minutes you have after ATC gives you those directions...

 

Reading and using chart information just isnt there in FSX itself, you get a setup route from the flightplanner. From what I see in the tutorials, we're expected to know from using flight planner and FSX's GPS, how to read charts and know how to choose from all the options, and have full understanding of the FMC. Sorry, but this is just not gonna happen...

 

And like myself, I've got a concentration dyslexia, reading those manuals is gonna cost me years and I can promiss you, after reading them, I wont know anything of what is explained in them, this is way, way, way too much at once.

What is missing is a quickstart guide, that teaches you how to start using the aircraft with the basics FSX has tought you, flying by flightplanner and FSX's GPS, leaving the FMC for what it is and from there, short tutorials that add one, or a few new lesson at a time.

 

What I would like to know is how to start flying with the lessons I've learned from the FSX aircrafts, so I can grow into using new items from there on.

You could always start up your flights with the panel state with the engines running. For the flight route, you can build it in the default flight planner, and find a utility which concerts FSX flight plans to ones which can be read by the pmdg fmc. However, you can simply go to flightaware.com, and there you will see routes flown by actual real-world routes. Also, you can use http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/, which is a free route planner. You literally put your departure and arrival airports, and it gives you the SID's STAR's, and the enroute points. As for the performance calculations, these you can basically do with the fmc alone, but if you want to fly more like a default aircraft, you can simply takeoff and fly with vertical speed and level change modes. Hopes this helps at least a bit.

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@kjjj11223344 Thanks, that indeed might be helpfull, I'll have a look at it. :D

 

I'm just starting to look outside of the native FSX aircrafts and with all the 5-star reviews I got PMDG, but working through the manuals and tutorials it seemed so much at once...

But I'm gonna have a go at it and see where it takes me, thanks a lot!

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Just got done with Tutorial 2 and really appreciate the time and effort that went into making it Ryan. I'm still trying to wrap my head around all the information you've presented but it's slowly sinking in as I lather, rinse, repeat. I certainly understand much more about the aircraft than I did prior to both tutorials.

 

I'm sorry if this has been asked already, but is there any chance you could add a missed approach tutorial in there somewhere? Maybe an addendum to one of the tutorials already published?

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@Ryan. nice tutorials. I have flown both but I also you FSX ATC and I missed some things that I had to find out myself. another thing I want to request for the 777 upcoming tutorials...dont use frame heavy airports for the tutorials please. I have mega airport heathrow and mega airport amsterdam and putting me there with the ngx wasnt that much of fun...

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