Absolutely WRONG!

 

NAV and FSNAV are two different programs and FSNAV was a) NEVER written under the GNU license and B) NEVER released into the public domain.

 

FSNAV was and still is the property of Helge Schroeder who wrote it and it appears he has resurfaced and is working on FSTRAMP.

 

Vic

 

Maybe that's exactly the issue.

 

FSNAV was

( a ) NEVER written under the GNU license and

( b ) NEVER released into the public domain.

 

If you compare NAV with FSNAV, it "would appear" that FSNAV is a "derived" work from NAV.

If so, then FSNAV also should have been written under the GNU license.

 

The "would appear" tends to indicate that FsNav was not developed in a "Sterile Environment".

( Enough of the Legal BS )

 

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Not that I personally care !! FsNaviagator was great in it's time (Fs2004).

I do not like the appearance of FsTramp, nor it's lack of the functionality that FsNavigator had, or FsCommander currently has.

 

It's also a shame that FsTramp is designed to run as an in-proc dll, and not an external exe.

With all the "out of memory" issues with FSX, FsTramp in it's current form, is just another contribution to this problem.

 

What I do appreciate though with FsTramp, is the 20 sessions to determine if it meets my needs.

Maybe, a later version will address what I perceive to be it's shortcomings.

 

I look forward to seeing some reviews of FsTramp, and seeing what others think.

 

Unfortunate, the bar has now been set to a high standard by FsCommander, so FSTramp will have to significantly exceed that to appear attractive, and warrant it's relatively high purchase cost.

 

the GNU licernce permits charging

 

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When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for them if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs, and that you know you can do these things.

 

http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html

 

OK, cool .. I might be happy to BUY the program, if I could also get the Source Code, so I could change it to be what I want .. but then, why bother -- FsCommander does so much more. (and a lot faster)

The best feature about the old fsnav was that it could run and be displayed directly inside of the sim in full screen mode. There is no moving map and informational display app that I know of that can do this currently in FSX. Not fsc, nor efb...nada from what ive seen even after 6 years now. This was the first possible app that gave me some hope for this sort of functionality but, alas, it wont even run on my system at all...keeps giving a CTD (terrain.dll faulting module) everytime you try to call it up (even in windowed mode).

The best feature about the old fsnav was that it could run and be displayed directly inside of the sim in full screen mode. There is no moving map and informational display app that I know of that can do this currently in FSX. Not fsc, nor efb...nada from what ive seen even after 6 years now. This was the first possible app that gave me some hope for this sort of functionality but, alas, it wont even run on my system at all...keeps giving a CTD (terrain.dll faulting module) everytime you try to call it up (even in windowed mode).

 

Why is it so desirable to run FSX in Full Screen mode ?

Gone are the days when applications ran faster in Full Screen, than in Windowed mode.

On today's computers and OS's, you will not notice the difference.

 

There are many advantages to running in Window mode.

(1) You can run other apps at the same time.

(2) You can run different aps on different monitiors.

 

There is a BIG advantage of running your Moving Map as a seperate application, and not an in-proc dll. because then it does nopt eat into your FSX's memory and contribute to OOMs.

Even bigger advanatage if running a 64 bit OS.

 

The ONLY negaive thing I can see with running in Windows mode, is the Window Title bar.

Well, thats quite easy to remove, it it really bothers you. Plenty of ways to easily control with a Hotkey, yo control if that Window Title Bar shows or not.

 

In full screen mode, you are ,limited to just running FSX.

In windows mode, you have the "option" to run any additional applications you want, while running FSX.

 

Given the above, why would anyone want to restrict themselves to FSX FULL Screen mode ??

Given the above, why would anyone want to restrict themselves to FSX FULL Screen mode

 

Hello

Possibly because they run everything else on a separate machine, in my case a laptop running

FSCommander, AS2012 and Radar Contact / PFE.

I do agree with you though that FSNav/FSTramps day has been and gone, many much better solutions around now.

Absolutely WRONG!

 

NAV and FSNAV are two different programs and FSNAV was a) NEVER written under the GNU license and B) NEVER released into the public domain.

 

FSNAV was and still is the property of Helge Schroeder who wrote it and it appears he has resurfaced and is working on FSTRAMP.

 

Vic

 

The developer of NAV (Ted Wright ?) always maintained his code was used in FSNavigator. The reason for this assertion was a forum post by Helge wherin some source code was used as an 'how-to' example. This example code the NAV authors claim came directly from the NAV source

 

 

If you find the NAV download, you will see this assertion written in the bottom of the documentation.

 

Helge Schroeder however always denied this was so.

 

That's where it was left at many years ago.

 

There no doubt was a strong resemblence between NAV and the early versions of FSNav, but in the end, it comes down to who you believe, or rather who you want to believe.

 

Regards.

Ernie.

Why is it so desirable to run FSX in Full Screen mode ?

Gone are the days when applications ran faster in Full Screen, than in Windowed mode.

On today's computers and OS's, you will not notice the difference.

 

There are many advantages to running in Window mode.

(1) You can run other apps at the same time.

(2) You can run different aps on different monitiors.

 

There is a BIG advantage of running your Moving Map as a seperate application, and not an in-proc dll. because then it does nopt eat into your FSX's memory and contribute to OOMs.

Even bigger advanatage if running a 64 bit OS.

 

The ONLY negaive thing I can see with running in Windows mode, is the Window Title bar.

Well, thats quite easy to remove, it it really bothers you. Plenty of ways to easily control with a Hotkey, yo control if that Window Title Bar shows or not.

 

In full screen mode, you are ,limited to just running FSX.

In windows mode, you have the "option" to run any additional applications you want, while running FSX.

 

Given the above, why would anyone want to restrict themselves to FSX FULL Screen mode ??

 

1. Maybe YOU get better performance in windowed, but a lot of others don't myself included. I get a 7-8 fps increase in full screen vs windowed mode.

On today's computers and OS's, I do notice the difference because there is one. Don't make blanket statements without any facts to back them up.

 

2. As said, a lot of people run supporting apps/programs on a networked computer. I run AS2012, FSINN, and ACARS on my networked laptop which also doubles as a chart browser. My desktop runs FSX exclusively to maximize performance.

 

So I don't really need windowed mode, and I don't want to run it either because of the hit in fps I get.

I run a 64 bit OS also, so saying only older computers have these issues is bogus. FSX is a different monster to different machines both old and new.

I'm not restricting myself to anything, I'm choosing to run fullscreen because in my situation it's the best method for me.

My desktop runs FSX exclusively to maximize performance.

 

Sounds good to me as well. Run all the other stuff on another machine INCLUDING your Mapping Program. (but not everyone has additional Laptops or PC .. you are luckly -- you do)

 

However, the last thing you want is your Mapping program running WITHIN FSX, and giving you a performance hit on FSX, and having FSX give a performance hit on your MAPPING (FSX dll), as well as more chances of a OOM.

Sounds good to me as well. Run all the other stuff on another machine INCLUDING your Mapping Program. (but not everyone has additional Laptops or PC .. you are luckly -- you do)

 

However, the last thing you want is your Mapping program running WITHIN FSX, and giving you a performance hit on FSX, and having FSX give a performance hit on your MAPPING (FSX dll), as well as more chances of a OOM.

 

I tested FSTramp in windowed mode, and I didn't get a performance hit at all compared to windowed mode without FSTramp installed.

I know not everyone has another pc, but my point was since I do I don't need to run FSX in windowed mode.

At first I was really excited about this program until I read this thread. As some have been saying the word FsTramp doesn't translate too well in English. The word tramp in English can also refer to a woman with loose morals. That is neither here nor there. I wouldn't dare put this on my machine if it doesn't build flight plans. It is simply a moving map. I'm going to stick with FS Commander. If the program were to improve and include a flight planner I would definitely consider it.

 

It really is a no-brainer (at least with FsTramp in it's current form).

 

Both FsCommander & FSTramp give you a limited "full feature" evaluation period, so anyone is able to try both, and determine which one best fits their needs.

 

It is GREAT to have the choice...

 

IMHO, FsTramp has a very long way to go, to come close to the functionality, and clean, clear display, that FSCommander has.

 

Personally, I would not use FsTramp even if it were FREE :(

 

 

And yes, as a former Fsnavigator purchaser, and supporter of the product, I still feel a little bitter over the way I was mislead with the continual promise of a FSX version, that never was forthcoming till now.

 

Now it's "too little, too late" , and it was certainly was NOT worth the wait.

 

FsCommander was there when I needed this kind of addon for FSX, and I have been more than satisfied with it.

... and we forgot to mention the FSWidgets add-ons that can run remotely on PC and MAC.... moving maps, EFB, flight plans....

Just tried it RUNS IN FULL SCREEN !!!

 

It is little tricky and does funny things at first but i have it running on my second monitor while in full screen will try a third monitor see if i can put some gauges on the third becuase moving another window from main to screen where the FSTramp thingy is did not work very well :huh:

but there is a hope it will run maybe with further versions.... maybe.....

 

NOTE: When you activate the FSTramp within FSX it does worn you not to do it if you in FULL SCREEN, then what you do is DISREGARD and the screens flip/flop/flash and then its there !!!!!!!!!!!.... You can UNDOCK it like the old FSNavigator and move it over to the next screen.

 

it worked well for me....

 

Lacks colour changing options and default are kinda... well... a bit ugly.... but i can live with them wish there was an upgrade price as i did buy original i give him $20 and not EUROS :lol:

Andy