I've had every version of Windows since Version 3.0 and I have always prided myself on running the next version of Windows once the first stable betas are available. I have an MSDN membership so my full expectation was prepare to wind down Windows 7. So, of course I jumped right into Windows 8 and boy was I sorry I did. For instance, loading up FSX seemed to take LONGER and I traced it back to the certain 3rd party aircraft. For instance starting directly into the PMDG NGX took forever and then I ran into problems in full screen mode and had to stay in Windowed mode. And then there was the Metro interface - oh the horror...let's not even go there.

 

After three weeks with RTM I bit the bullet, reformatted and spent a week re installing FSX and all my addons. With that said, maybe ATIs drivers aren't ready yet. Maybe Windows 8 isn't ready yet. Maybe the moon is not in the correct alignment. However, my opinion is that under Windows 8 is Windows 7. The Metro interface is useless for a non touch screen computer and causes you to go through MORE mouse clicks to do the same thing in Windows 7. I didn't see any improvement in anything and the interface is just painful. Plus at the end of the day I don't care if my computer boots in 10 seconds or 30 seconds. What is going to happen in the 20 seconds that couldn't wait for? It's not like there is a chance that I will need to launch a nuclear strike at Russia from my PC and that extra 20 seconds will mean the difference between life and death for billions of people. So, if I wait 30 seconds to access my Word Process or FSX, who cares?

 

I actually hated Windows 8 so much after three weeks that I actually started looking at Apple OSX! Then I realized I've got Windows 7, so what am I worried about. FSX screams on my current high end rig so its a matter of not fixing something that ain't broke. Maybe some day when Microsoft comes to its senses and allows users to dump the Metro interface and the drivers bake in a little bit I'll take a look at it again. For me, I don't care what else crashes as long as FSX is 100% stable and mine is. Right now there simply is no reason to move to Windows 8...except to say you're running Windows 8.

 

Unfortunately, I predict that Windows 8 and Microsoft BOB will get to know each other very well at the bottom of the trash heap of tortuously horrific operating systems. The good news is that Microsoft seems to be in a good-bad-good cycle. Windows 3.11=Good, Windows 95 = bad, Windows 98 = good, Windows ME=horrible, Windows XP=good, Windows Vista=bad, Windows 7 = GREAT, WIndows 8=bad, Windows 9=?.

THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME.

 

However, I must say, Windows 95 wasn't bad. It was the first OS with the revolutionary desktop.

THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME.

 

After 31 posts, you are glad that someone agrees with you - think about that. ^_^

Maybe WIN8 isn't that bad for most people.

 

Guys, I do not want to disappoint you, but I'm sure, that MS would have success in the next year.

It is not only WIN8, MS has changed their complete direction - that is the revolutionary thing about.

Windows Phone is more and more a success, XBox is it already, and they managed now with WIN8 to make all these working together very flawlessly. And they start to create hardware (surface, surface pro and possibly an own phone). All in a stabil MS ecosystem, but in opposite to Apple not such a restricted and closed one.

(Somewhere between Apple and Android)

 

But ok, let us simply wait and see the coming month' ...

PC sales are dropping and tablet sales are rising. I don't think Microsoft will ever care about our reception to Windows 8, or satisfying the PC users.

After 31 posts, you are glad that someone agrees with you - think about that.

 

I thought I agreed with him previously. So no, not a first one.

 

Windows Phone is more and more a success

 

Last information I got is that Android/Samsung is holding about 60% of the market, Sony/Android is at about 15%, same as Apple, and in the rest 10% are all others, including Windows Phone etc. For Windows Phone to be more of a success, it would have to kick both Apple's iPhone and Sony's devices... sorry, I don't see it happening.

 

PC sales are dropping and tablet sales are rising. I don't think Microsoft will ever care about our reception to Windows 8, or satisfying the PC users.

 

Indeed they are. But here the Apple has the advantage with some 70%, Samsung is here very weak with about 10%, and rest is in the area of 20%. So this is possibly a chance for Microsoft, to grow in these 20%, though I don't really see it happening. Apple has established itself with the iPad so hard, that it would take a miracle to beat them. Certainly not Windows 8...

 

And don't forget that there are still many laptop owners, you can't just expect them all to be ready to switch to the tablet PC just because Windows 8 comes out!? There are just too many things that can't be done on a tablet PC, or better said, you need a keyboard and a mouse, where many people will still just get a laptop and be welcomed by an unfriendly Metro interface.

Ha, I didn't see that comment about Windows Phone becoming more successful! That is hilarious. How many teenagers do you know who have one? Dead as a dodo.

As it seems everyone already knows everything about it, even before win8 is out...

 

1. can someone show me where in the FSX system requirements one can find : win8 (compatibility)? I think I might've missed it.

2. diego, noone at microsoft gives a ###### whether you want tiles or not because you are using a mouse and a keyboard. so you are staying win win7. thanks for sharing that would be a problem for you though. metro is designed as a touch interface, so all your arguments are invalid. so please do not derail the already useless thread and please help me! please tell me what caused my last BSOD, since you can read it and it's driving me mad!

 

 

 

4. guys, i wonder what you all would say when after 3-4 years (maybe less) win 9 is released and it has almost nothing to do with FSX. I dont even want to imagine the mini heart attacks of all the guys who still 'fly' on a 2d panel in fs9.

Lowlevel,

 

I'm really missing your point... Maybe the language barrier. What do you really want to say except that you need help with the shown BSOD?

 

 

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Unfortunately, I predict that Windows 8 and Microsoft BOB will get to know each other very well at the bottom of the trash heap of tortuously horrific operating systems. The good news is that Microsoft seems to be in a good-bad-good cycle. Windows 3.11=Good, Windows 95 = bad, Windows 98 = good, Windows ME=horrible, Windows XP=good, Windows Vista=bad, Windows 7 = GREAT, WIndows 8=bad, Windows 9=?.

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Word Not Allowed, my points are:

 

1. Bashing win8 on grounds "The Metro UI sucks" is irrelevant. The Metro UI is designed for touch devices (such as tablets) and has nothing to do with mainstream home desktop pc. Moreover, you can disable the metro thing in the win8 PRO edition (at least from my understanding the pre-release information up till now) and work in a classic desktop windows environment on your hope pc. Or just stay with win7, because you know - it seems more reasonable than reinstalling your whole computer and then ~100-150 GB of fsx, addons, etc on a untested OS.

 

2. Bashing win8 on grounds "the BSOD has no information but a sad face" is irrelevant. The BSOD information can be understood by less than 1 % of its users, so a sad face would be the more marketing-correct thing to put on it. It's less scary for 99% of the people. The same thing as with winXP / win7 blue screens. The XP one contains only tech info. The win7 one is way more user-friendly and you can actually read it.

 

3. Bashing it on the grounds that FSX may or may not work better with it is even more irrelevant. Win8 is not in the FSX system requirements.

 

4. Bashing it on whatever grounds before it is even released... you know

1. Bashing win8 on grounds "The Metro UI sucks" is irrelevant. The Metro UI is designed for touch devices (such as tablets) and has nothing to do with mainstream home desktop pc. Moreover, you can disable the metro thing in the win8 PRO edition (at least from my understanding the pre-release information up till now) and work in a classic desktop windows environment on your hope pc. Or just stay with win7, because you know - it seems more reasonable than reinstalling your whole computer and then ~100-150 GB of fsx, addons, etc on a untested OS.

 

Alright, if it wasn't designed for PCs incl. laptops, why is it being massively installed onto these devices - there are not even tablets yet supporting W8. Besides, I'm not talking about us, who can stay around W7, people who know how to install OS and have a choice. I am talking about masses of customers, who make the bulk of windows users including the business part. Those people will not have a choice to go for W7. Anyway, I'm just going to report to you here after I have sold couple of W8 computers, and after people come in complaining...

Yes, you can disable Metro and you are left with even more simplified, uninviting graphical interface ever.

 

 

2. Bashing win8 on grounds "the BSOD has no information but a sad face" is irrelevant. The BSOD information can be understood by less than 1 % of its users, so a sad face would be the more marketing-correct thing to put on it. It's less scary for 99% of the people. The same thing as with winXP / win7 blue screens. The XP one contains only tech info. The win7 one is way more user-friendly and you can actually read it.

 

It is irrelevant to the regular joe. It IS relevant to anyone wanting to help him. Let's say I have a customer with that screen... what in the earth am I going to start with a sad face? Come on...

 

3. Bashing it on the grounds that FSX may or may not work better with it is even more irrelevant. Win8 is not in the FSX system requirements.

 

That I agree.

 

4. Bashing it on whatever grounds before it is not even released... you know

 

Of course one can bash on grounds of reading about it and various opinions. This is completely normal.

Win 8 for me, to try at least.

 

So glad I ditched FSX for P3D and am rediscovering the fun of flight simming without continually thinking about fps and tweaks.

 

W8 hopefully will add to that by being a more efficient user of resources.

 

Looking forward to it!

Alright, if it wasn't designed for PCs incl. laptops, why is it being massively installed onto these devices

because thats how today's market works - based on hyping new products without knowing if the users will actually benefit from the new features. I suppose it is more easy to sell a laptop win the "new win8" than with the old plain win7. go blame apple and their users....

It is irrelevant to the regular joe. It IS relevant to anyone wanting to help him. Let's say I have a customer with that screen... what in the earth am I going to start with a sad face? Come on...

well, you could always read the logs. and i bet they will be way more elaborate on a given error than a single 80x25 screen of info.

I am currently running Windows 8 and loving it. Took a little getting used to but I guess that's what happens with change. I haven't ran into any problems. My FSX and all of its addons have installed without a problem. To each his own.

 

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because thats how today's market works

 

Really? Well, interesting. I don't know where your work field is, but mine is in direct sales. And I see how our customers are ticking. They have barely accustomed to W7, the questions usually are "it does come with W7, right?" and with no seldom questions for WinXP. I think until now I have had one question about W8, and that was a negative feedback. I am yet to hear someone asking about releasedate of W8.

 

well, you could always read the logs. and i bet they will be way more elaborate on a given error than a single 80x25 screen of info.

 

Indeed. For a pro, this isn't a problem. But a customer calling me via telephone IS a problem. And they do call when BSOD happens, and then I would have to explain them how to enter a log? What MS should have done is give more information on that screen, so that a user can give further informations.

I see where you coming from. I think your concerns are quite valid. But alas, MS moves forward (and sometimes backwad )

 

In either case the market will regulate those things after launch and when plethora of W8 devices flood the market. I for one, can't wait for those W8 tablets which double as a laptop when docked. This is the first time I've ever wanted a 'laptop' or if you will - something indeed mobile.