I adore this actor Denzel Washington.

Jim,

 

I did not know that they had made a film of that - thanks I will go and look it up.

 

Gerry

Gents-

This is a Hollywood movie- don't expect too much 'realism' and enjoy the plot.

 

Yes, the first time I saw this trailer, which was yesterday at the cinema, watching Skyfall, I thought "What the hell are they flying?"

 

The first few seconds of the trailer were really promising, since it looked like a real MD-80 cockpit, but then I saw the displays and the winglets and oh well...all the stuff allready mentioned above.

 

The worst thing was the fact that the plane pitched down rapidly just because of an engine failure and fire. Well, the engine could have exploded and the exoding parts, which were flying sideways out of the engine cowling could have demaged that jackscrew that holds the horizontal stabilizer but then they wouldn't be able to trim aswell...

 

Anyway, since Denzel is starring in this movie it'll be awesome...

I mean first this guy saved a train, now a plane, what comes next?

Very few ever get the the correct aircraft/cockpit combination. SO the best way to approach this is "overlook" that aspect as you already know they "jacked it up", and enjoy the movie for what it is worth.

 

I think I am going to check it out later this afternoon.

When I watched the trailer it made me really mad I felt like I wanted to go see it and get up in the movies and scream all the errors that they made, the cockpit instruments were not even right and then they putt winglets on the aircraft, really Hollywood ? and the worst thing was that the aircraft acted like a fighter jet!!!!

Reading the reviews,looks like another addiction movie to me.

Gents-

This is a Hollywood movie- don't expect too much 'realism' and enjoy the plot.

 

Yes, the first time I saw this trailer, which was yesterday at the cinema, watching Skyfall, I thought "What the hell are they flying?"

 

The first few seconds of the trailer were really promising, since it looked like a real MD-80 cockpit, but then I saw the displays and the winglets and oh well...all the stuff allready mentioned above.

 

The worst thing was the fact that the plane pitched down rapidly just because of an engine failure and fire. Well, the engine could have exploded and the exoding parts, which were flying sideways out of the engine cowling could have demaged that jackscrew that holds the horizontal stabilizer but then they wouldn't be able to trim aswell...

 

Anyway, since Denzel is starring in this movie it'll be awesome...

I mean first this guy saved a train, now a plane, what comes next?

 

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Yes, in the initial scenes aboard the aircraft - when Denzel stepped aboard and spent a few moments standing in the forward galley chatting to the flight attendant, that was definitely a Maddog galley. Likewise, when he first took his seat in the cockpit and the camera was trainined on him from his right side as chatted up his copilot and took a couple of whiffs of oxygen from his mask to "test the system" (i.e. clear his head), that also looked exactly like an MD-80 or 90. You could see the typical MD-style switches for nav lights, turn-off lights etc. at the upper-left corner of the glareshield.

 

Obviously, the scenes showing the main instrument panel in flight, both before and after the upset were NOT from an MD or 717 series aircraft - as others have pointed out, it appeared to have Boeing-style PFD and ND displays.

 

Externally, the aircraft was very Maddog-like in appearance - though there were definite differences too.

 

It wasn't the engine fire that caused the upset or jack screw failure. If you'll recall, the fire came later. Denzel was asleep in the left seat, and the copilot had just received initial descent clearance from Atlanta Center. When he reached up to select the new altitude, it was at that moment that that the yoke suddenly slammed full forward with a loud "bang", and the aircraft immediately entered a steep descent. That was the moment of the jack screw failure and corresponding jam of the elevator full "down".

 

It was only after they had been in the descent for quite a few moments, with airspeed approaching red line, that the fire broke out in the right engine - with the implication being that the engine failure was caused by overspeed.

 

One big inaccuracy came in at this point... right after the #2 engine gave the initial fire warning, the copilot discharged the fire extingisher at Denzel's command. Later, they had to do the same when the #1 engine also caught fire. Yet, both engines were still producing thrust afterwards until just before the crash. In a real aircraft, pulling the fire handle closes valves which shut off the main fuel and hydraulic lines going to the engine. Blowing the fire bottle might n ot succeed in putting out the fire, but once the handle is pulled and the valves close, that engine will immediately flame out and no longer be capable of generating any thrust.

At least they used new and realistic Boeing-like displays - not like some documentaries on Narional Geographic...

 

You know what? Let's just say it's a MD-80NG, modified by Boeing....in the future... :LMAO:

I think it will be alright and if the plot/acting is good then its really easy for me to overlook the inaccuracies.

 

I think the main reason they went with some red-headed stepchild aircraft as a mix of a few different ones was that they didn't want to go deal with any backlash from manufacturers about defamation, or similar. I could be wildly wrong, as Hollywood clearly destroy cars all the time with the badges in plain view, but I think plane crashes have a certain stigma with the public. Just my own theory.

 

I think that's the exact reason as well with a few exceptions (such as executive decision), in the TV series lost the aircraft type has never been officially identified although I think it most likely would have been a 777 and Oceanic is the typical fictional airline that many films use as well to avoid putting a real airline in a bad PR situation.

 

Also Hollywood has to make things a bit dramatic since they have to sell tickets, United 93 was a different case since it told a true story hence the intense realism. Yes you can make a super realistic aviation movie but if you can't pull it off then you run the risk of boring the general public of whom many have no real interest in aviation.

The only movie that had an accurate aircraft representation was "Superman Returns".

It was a 777 with some modifications for carring the spacecraft on top - similar to an AN-225.

This pretty much sums up most aviation related movies for me...

 

 

Regards,

Ró.

Had me literally laughing out loud. So true.

Watch it for the entertainment value, leave the other stuff at the office.

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I mean first this guy saved a train, now a plane, what comes next?

 

Why that would be an automobile of course!