"Ah, I see, just some better textures only to cover generally the whole world. And for $195AUs (or $202 US) just for that. Wow! "

 

Interesting you would see this as a negative.

 

Actually I don't see it as a negative, but i suspected some might think $200 a steep price for a single addon.

Murfman, he was quoting Airfighters remark on the price

Airfighter, maybe not everyone is thinking the same way as you?

 

Personally, I would be hesitant at this point in time to spend $1500 on FSX without seeing a better roadmap as to where my investment may go. We are not talking about new people spending new money.

 

Why if you have already spent that money over the years walk away from it just because something else is newer? That doesnt make a lot of sense. The day will come when xplane or an alternative will be more attractive. When that day comes I suspect people will start to walk away from their investment. Until then when their older model with upgrades works better for them than the new model that is where they will stay and there is not a lot of logic to say that this is silly.

 

 

I spend most of my flying time in DCS, you cant fly across the pond but thats not important to me in that sim. You see different people like different things.

 

Jason

Why are you, in a sense, criticizing peoples choices if they are not the same as your own?

I left FSX nearly 4 years ago. I spent a ton of money on add ons to make the default FSX much more than what it is.

I left it for something newer. Am I wrong in doing so? Apparently, in your eyes, yes. And so are the 1000's of others who have done the same.

Maybe I'm just more open minded than you are. I'm able to accept change much easier.

I have never criticized a persons decision to stay with their preferred platform. In fact, I encourage it. So why do you feel the need to say "Why would anyone change to something newer if you spent all that money?"

 

There is some irony that addons are considered expensive when XPX is currently the most expensive consumer sim.

The irony is that you can pick up FSX now for somewhere around $30-$40. And then buy the new ORBX world scenery at approximately 500% more than the cost of the 6 year old host platform.

That's a showstopper right there.

I already spent about that for this Xplane add on last year:

http://www.flythissim.com/FTS1000.aspx

 

Didn't consider this a negative either-I was really glad it was available.

 

 

 

 

Murfman, he was quoting Airfighters remark on the price

 

Thanks, Jason, I didn't notice that statement at the bottom of Airfighter's post.

Actually Goran, I am not criticising anyones choice, like I was to you I was explaining how someone may not want to give up their investment just because some else thinks it the right thing to do.

 

I guess we are on the same page there. BTW, if you read most post more carefully I say that it is not silly for someone to stay with their investment until the the other product can match it! I dont say someone should stay in the stone age when there is something better. The problem is that while xpx is newer it cannot match all the functionality that some users have with add ons.

 

If someone wants to use another sim then great. What I agreed with was someones view that they did not see merit in changing when they had a large collection of addons.

 

Goran, I cant tell when you are serious or not. Just before you admitted you understood my points perfectly while playing silly buggers and pretending you didnt. I dont come here for that kind of rubbish thanks.

 

 

When xplane has the option to buy the entire world as addon scenery I am sure it will not be cheap either.

Since I can already do this in FSX, any potential replacement will have to raise the bar considerably in most areas. How close can XPlane come to my list of requirements?

 

Well I can't do this in FSX with a good frame rate and with a detailed scenery like I have in X-Plane 10.

 

But if you really want to know what X-Plane can do, just test the free demo, learn how to use it, how to install all the freeware and payware add-ons available right now, and ask on X-Plane forums like X-Pilot.com and X-Plane.org.

 

Sometimes people think X-Plane's default scenery is an Orbx add-on:

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/385402-summa7-departure-million-dollar-view/#entry2478546

But if you really want to know what X-Plane can do,

 

You didn't address my requirements. Seasons? Real world weather? Will downtown Dallas have a skyline I'd recognize?

 

For what it's worth, I have a few payware aircraft for FSX, but no custom scenery whatsoever. I'm happy with default textures and autogen. I might be interested in better meshes, but that's about it.

 

Hook

Actually Goran, I am not criticising anyones choice, like I was to you I was explaining how someone may not want to give up their investment just because some else thinks it the right thing to do.

 

I guess we are on the same page there. BTW, if you read most post more carefully I say that it is not silly for someone to stay with their investment until the the other product can match it! I dont say someone should stay in the stone age when there is something better. The problem is that while xpx is newer it cannot match all the functionality that some users have with add ons.

 

If someone wants to use another sim then great. What I agreed with was someones view that they did not see merit in changing when they had a large collection of addons.

 

Goran, I cant tell when you are serious or not. Just before you admitted you understood my points perfectly while playing silly buggers and pretending you didnt. I dont come here for that kind of rubbish thanks.

 

 

When xplane has the option to buy the entire world as addon scenery I am sure it will not be cheap either.

 

 

No you didn't use the word "silly", and neither did I. You said...

Why if you have already spent that money over the years walk away from it just because something else is newer? That doesnt make a lot of sense.

That reads a lot like a criticism.

Perhaps, to many people, it does make sense.

Saying it "doesn't make sense" has an awful lot of implications attached to it.

MDMax, those are nice shots and your advise is spot on for people new to xplane.

 

Some people may have got the idea in this thread that I dont like plane when the fact is that I bought it a year ago and have regularly used it, always keeping up with the betas. It's just one of the sims I use.

 

I do like like it and understand more than some it's plusses and minuses when comparing to other sims. This thread has strayed since it started and the latter part of the conversation has been more geared to heavy fsx users who do understand the limitations of XPX compared to what they are used to.

 

From my point of view there is little to do but agree with their opinion as it's valid, not that this is necessarily what I would say to new who are less experienced.

 

No you didn't use the word "silly", and neither did I. You said...

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That reads a lot like a criticism.

Perhaps, to many people, it does make sense.

Saying it "doesn't make sense" has an awful lot of implications attached to it.

 

Bloody hell Goran, you are missing a lot of context aren't you?

 

Why would you move from your platform that as configured is more fully featured to one that is not, just because it is newer?

 

Perhaps you should leave the conversation to people better equipped to help FSX users.

 

Everything you see is a criticism, poor you.

Perhaps you should stop talking using context and just say what you gotta say.

I moved because to me, X-Plane is better, is supported, is constantly getting updated and runs far better. Simple as that. I got more out of it.

I always help people who have questions about X Plane. Regardless who they are. I talk to them on Skype, PM, email, whatever they choose. And I don't resort to telling them that they make no sense in their choices.

I haven't seen one single positive post from you regarding X-Plane.

All I have seen is criticisms and debates.

Bloody hell Goran, you are missing a lot of context aren't you?

 

So it would seem. Jason, thanks for understanding what I thought was a very simple point relative to comparisons between sims. Goran, I'm not even sure what to say at this point - no one's trying to criticize anyone's decisions - and "maybe I'm more just more open minded than you" kinds of remarks only serve to underscore how badly you're missing the point.

 

My apologies to all for starting this little diversion. I come here because I'm interested in X-Plane. Because I AM open-minded and interested in following what's happening in this corner of the sim world. Mostly I keep my mouth shut when in this forum - something I'll now go back to doing.

 

A Happy New Year to you all,

 

Scott

No Goran, I agree with everything you have said in your last post.

 

Perhaps you missed what I was meaning? That for the person with a significant investment in FSX and where FSX is doing things for them that xplane cannot that there is no real reason for them to move. To move just because something is newer but doesnt match the configuration of the old does not make sense.

 

As I said earlier, when xplane evolves and it does make sense people will move. yay!

 

 

Edit: I agreed with all of your post until you went and edited it. I have said plenty of good stuff about xplane, not just here but on other forums. Hell, I am the only one using it on one or maybe two other aviation forums.

 

One thing is obviously important is that FSX users have expectations in certain areas that xplane doesn't yet do as well. It doesnt help anyone to ignore them and give people false impressions.

 

 

I left FSX nearly 4 years ago. I spent a ton of money on add ons to make the default FSX much more than what it is.

I left it for something newer. Am I wrong in doing so? Apparently, in your eyes, yes. And so are the 1000's of others who have done the same.

Maybe I'm just more open minded than you are. I'm able to accept change much easier.

I have never criticized a persons decision to stay with their preferred platform. In fact, I encourage it. So why do you feel the need to say "Why would anyone change to something newer if you spent all that money?"

 

The irony is that you can pick up FSX now for somewhere around $30-$40. And then buy the new ORBX world scenery at approximately 500% more than the cost of the 6 year old host platform.

 

I recently picked up a brand new copy of FSX Gold for $9.99. It was a Microsoft sale. Anyone who really uses FSX is well aware of exactly what it is. It's a base platform that's been highly improved, thanks to the large range of third party developers. Considering that new products are still constantly being released, FSX is far from being dead, or on life support, and there's a whole lot of new........to experience. In four years, you've missed a lot!

 

As for the Orbx world wide scenery textures, it's something that I'd be highly interested in. I know one thing for sure, and that's that a "plausible" world isn't going to cut it. I also have no interest in populating a world of scenery myself.

 

As planned before, when I do get my CPU upgrade........XP10 will be on the list of installs. In the meantime, there is nothing dead about FSX. So what, if it's not backed by Microsoft anymore. It still runs, and it's improving all the time. And I do plan to invest much more into it. If it was an XP world only (as it is at this point)..........I'd quit.

 

L.Adamson

<br />I moved because to me, X-Plane is better, is supported, is constantly getting updated and runs far better. <br />

 

You mentioned that A2A "hacked" the FSX flight model to improve it. I'm also well aware of other developers, who have highly improved the flight models since they were originally designed back in 2005 & 6. And what do you know? These improved models are very much supported. And it's the same with a vast amount of scenery, & mesh upgrades, as well as replicating systems, upgrading graphics, so forth & so forth.

 

Therefor, to implicate that FSX is dead, or not being supported.......is quite mis-leading. Don't you think?

 

Quite frankly, what real difference is there between FSX/3rd party additions for FSX, and Laminar with it's 3rd party vendors? Not much, as I see it. FSX is a platform being improved by other programmers. XP is a program being improved by Austin Meyer & other programmers. Austin is not a creator of the universe, mother nature, nor did he invent the laws of physics. He's just another programmer.

 

L.Adamson