Heinz 787 with HDR and 100% puffs

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Thanks for confirming that Muskoka,

 

I fly both FSX and XPX (depends on the mood) but I must admit these burnt clouds in XPX are one of my personal annoyances with XPX because they look so unrealistic, and everytime I see a thread on AVSIM talking about great XPX clouds, first I get my hopes up that there's a fix, and then when I install it but still see the burnt clouds, so I start to think I somehow installed it wrong, so I end up double or triple checking or reinstalling, and when that still doesn't fix it, I then start to wonder if I'm not crazy and seeing stuff that others actually think looks terrific.

 

So thanks for confirming I'm not crazy. Here's hoping the clouds at some point actually look white during the middle of the day and not like they are in a virtual sunset burnt cloud mode, for now I will continue to fly with clear skies to keep immersion.

what burnt cloud? :Thinking:

 

 

no hdr 100% puffs

Heinz 787 with HDR and 100% puffs

what burnt cloud? :Thinking:

 

Thanks FlashIsisMayia, I see the burnt clouds on the clouds above you in that first screenshot of the 3.

 

That probably explains why I see them all the time, since I fly VFR only and rarely above the cloud layer so they are always above and with that burnt edge.

 

You guys who fly tubeliners most of the time probably see mostly the view from above where they appear white in your screenshot.

 

It also looks like in the no HDR screenshot it makes them darker even from above...

Edited January 19, 201313 yr by kludger

Nice shots FlashlsisMayia, unfortunately until the issues I have clearly already addressed, as well as others elsewhere, with the poor weather system representation, your nice looking screen shots are "falling on blind eyes". All these shots show is nice clouds and don't represent anything "relevent".

 

I want accurate weather modeled in XPX and I'am less concerned with how "pretty", the clouds look. So far XPX does not do a good job with clouds, period, are the textures ok, sure, but there's way more to it than that. As I said earlier, anyone can put nice clouds in the sky, are they accurate and believable in XPX, not really.

I confirmed HDR off seems to bring out the "burnt" look.

 

Clouds HD v2 100% Puffs, middle of the day:

HDR OFF

 

HDR ON

 

 

The top picture is what the clouds look like to me most of the time since I don't use HDR, way too dark all the time from below breaking immersion.

 

Now that I see the difference HDR makes maybe I will have to try harder to run in that mode (give up on framerate), but I bet the majority of XPX users are not able to run HDR mode so they probably see the dark clouds like me.

Let me put this in Xplane layman’s terms so it makes my position more understandable.

 

Many, as well as myself, do not for a minute like the "plausible" world approach to autogen and landclass. This is a well documented issue, and in reality if you want to claim "the worlds most advanced simulator", everything should be "the worlds most advanced simulator".

 

Well, I look at the weather system / clouds, and really all aspects of Xplane through the same critical eye. The weather system and cloud deception is "plausible", but far from a real world representation of current conditions. As an example, again, if the conditions are overcast, then show overcast, not something that's just plausible because 90% of the time it's not close. No different than throwing a bunch of buildings in a down town area and saying "well there's buildings there" so it's a plausible representation , that's not good enough, for me.

 

capiche...... ^_^

 

Glen

 

Here's a beginning list:

 

Move the clear texture view out beyond the 25 mile limit for one.

Get rid of that ridiculous mushroom of cloud overhead.

When the conditions are overcast, depict overcast to the horizon.

Get rid of the "I'm flying in a white box" effect when climbing / descending through clouds.

 

There's a start. I don't make these up, they all exist and really need to be addressed. Well, 13 months later and it's still the same. These should have been addressed before XPX ever hit the market for public sale, yet they still exist.

My system has been upgraded (16GB DDR3 RAM and Nvidia 650 GTX Ti). I am also on win8 now. The performance improvements are very significative and while I was already able to run with HDR on on my previous system, I believe this one would get even better performance out of XP10. I am curious :-/....

 

But I can only understand both who keep emphasizing the positive aspects of X-Plane10, and those who, just like me, got tired of seeing no positive evolution regarding those aspects that are really important (at least for us...).

 

Might it be because Austin is really very busy fighting his honorable fight against Patent trolls? I believe that problem has serious impact at least in his mood and concentration with development of the X-Plane10 platform. Of course he has a supporting team, a bright one I should say, and there are excellent 3pds keeping users interested and with good expectations about the future of X-Plane.

 

Not being able to sign Austin's petition all I can do is, at least, try to change my course and start being more positive about it...

 

I will start by re-installing X-Plane10 and participate with some more positive threads at the forums :-)

Okay...............so the night flight with lighting looks good. Is FSX really full of blocky terrain, artifacts & shimmers............of course not. Will I be blown away by XP's snowless terrain & thousands of barren airports? Not hardly.

 

And that's the problem with this mini review, which I see through immediately. It finds the best of X-Plane, leaves out all the worst, and goes for the poorest examples of FSX that it can locate.

 

Remind us all again why you insist on participating in this forum when it's clear X-Plane isn't for you? I mean, the only thing I ever see from you is a guy holding a virtual fly swatter to whack anything positive anyone has to say about the sim. It's one of the reasons I have you on ignore, but since another post quoted your's (and its content further justifies my decision) perhaps others would like to know.

 

I see no ugly in these beta clouds, let's all wait for xp10 to be completed so we can start the REX vs XPclouds versus :lol: :t0148:

Remind us all again why you insist on participating in this forum when it's clear X-Plane isn't for you?

 

Actually, as someone who is looking for a new flight sim and researching XP, I find LAdamson's post to be more useful than 10000 gushing reviews would be. There's information in that post that I need to know to make my decisions.

 

He's not bashing XP so much as pointing out highly biased and misleading comparisons.

 

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Thanks for confirming that Muskoka,

 

I fly both FSX and XPX (depends on the mood) but I must admit these burnt clouds in XPX are one of my personal annoyances with XPX because they look so unrealistic, and everytime I see a thread on AVSIM talking about great XPX clouds, first I get my hopes up that there's a fix, and then when I install it but still see the burnt clouds, so I start to think I somehow installed it wrong, so I end up double or triple checking or reinstalling, and when that still doesn't fix it, I then start to wonder if I'm not crazy and seeing stuff that others actually think looks terrific.

 

So thanks for confirming I'm not crazy. Here's hoping the clouds at some point actually look white during the middle of the day and not like they are in a virtual sunset burnt cloud mode, for now I will continue to fly with clear skies to keep immersion.

 

Interesting that you say the "burnt cloud" look is unrealistic.

Found these...

(Showing links because the images are way too big.)

http://www.nbnweathe...AT HEAD NSW.jpg

 

http://www.psychicdo...ark-Clouds.jpeg

 

However, I'm in no way insinuating you are crazy.

Just mistaken.

 

Okay...............so the night flight with lighting looks good. Is FSX really full of blocky terrain, artifacts & shimmers............of course not. Will I be blown away by XP's snowless terrain & thousands of barren airports? Not hardly.

 

And that's the problem with this mini review, which I see through immediately. It finds the best of X-Plane, leaves out all the worst, and goes for the poorest examples of FSX that it can locate.

 

How ironic.

Interesting that you say the "burnt cloud" look is unrealistic.

Found these...

(Showing links because the images are way too big.)

http://www.nbnweathe...AT HEAD NSW.jpg

 

http://www.psychicdo...ark-Clouds.jpeg

 

However, I'm in no way insinuating you are crazy.

Just mistaken.

 

 

 

How ironic.

:drinks: Austin might burn his toast but there is no way he burns his clouds :lol:

It's not that FSX clouds have too much detail, it's that people use clouds in FSX that HAVE too much detail. I despise all the HD cloud textures and find them to be unrealistic. Clouds may look sharp at distance but up close the become diffuse. Using lower resolution clouds and choosing less defined ones at that increases realism for me by leaps and bounds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting that you say the "burnt cloud" look is unrealistic. Found these...

 

Every time I see something in FSX that makes me say, I've never seen a sky like that before, that's not realistic".... I walk outside a few days later and, voila`, there it is.

Interesting that you say the "burnt cloud" look is unrealistic.

Found these...

(Showing links because the images are way too big.)

However, I'm in no way insinuating you are crazy.

Just mistaken.

How ironic.

 

Those are good pictures of how clouds can look at some times when the sun is at certain degrees to them (closer to sunset or sunrise) but when I look out my window here in the PNW (where it is very often cloudy) I don't see those dark clouds all the time like in XPX.

 

Are you saying in reality you see those dark clouds all the time?

 

I'm not bashing XPX as I am a happy user of it, I just think the clouds are one of the things that look very unrealistic (with HDR off) and I hope they get improved or that REX or someone comes out with some add-on to fix it other than having to run with HDR on.

 

And I do find some of the cheerleading about the current clouds hard to understand.

Those are good pictures of how clouds can look at some times when the sun is at certain degrees to them (closer to sunset or sunrise) but when I look out my window here in the PNW (where it is very often cloudy) I don't see those dark clouds all the time like in XPX.

 

Are you saying in reality you see those dark clouds all the time?

 

I'm not bashing XPX as I am a happy user of it, I just think the clouds are one of the things that look very unrealistic (with HDR off) and I hope they get improved or that REX or someone comes out with some add-on to fix it other than having to run with HDR on.

Unfortunately, I'm not a meteorologist.

What I do know about clouds is that they are made up mostly of water and they will be affected by light (light refraction) and cause darker hues and shadows in some areas.

All you have to do is type "clouds" in Google, go to the images tab, and you will not find one single image where the cloud is a pure white. They are white WITH shades of blue and grey.

So in answer to your question, yes, I see grey and blue areas in clouds at all times of the day...except at sunrise and sunset when I see orange and yellow clouds over the horizon.

And I do find some of the cheerleading about the current clouds hard to understand.

 

That's ok. I find some of the cheerleading about FSX's flight model hard to understand as well. Not to mention some people coming in saying "FSX+3rd party payware looks better than default FSX".

Really? People expect X Plane default to look as good as FSX+3rd party payware? (Anyone else see anything wrong with that statement??)

 

John...we're in an X-Plane forum. A place X-Plane enthusiasts would like to talk to about X-Plane and how to improve it, while keeping an open and objective mind. Not read posts from people who keep saying FSX+payware looks better than XP default...or to say X Planes clouds look like burnt cotton candy.

The links I posted should tell you that REAL clouds also look like burnt cotton candy.

 

EDIT: Here's another random image I found.

http://en.wikipedia...._in_vellore.JPG

 

If you can show me a photo of a 100% pure white cloud, with no blue or grey hues throughout it, then I will listen to your argument.