Boy, you sure do have a way of making some of us feel "old" :rolleyes: !! In fact, I can remember when airliners mainly used NDB's only (real fun during a thunderstorm!), and I won't even talk about the radio ranges <_< . With VHF navigation (VOR's or VOR/DME), you don't go to waypoints as they are understood in today's world. But you did have intersections (still do - where 2 specified VOR radials intersect) which were an old style WP in that you knew at that point you had so far to go to/from the next/previous VOR. You did a LOT more "head math" in those days because you had to calculate time/speed/distance values on the fly (pun intended - sorry ^_^ ). NDB navigation was even more of a challenge, especially NDB approaches at night with thunderstorms in the area. But yes, that was old style (for today) navigation and it is how airliners got around. For the most part, they did just fine. Today of course, navigation is a lot more precise and in some ways a lot easier, but it's always good to remember how to do TSD problems, "just in case".

 

This Coolsky DC9 has me interested. I like the old tubeliners and I've only heard bits and pieces about this machine. If anyone has any further comments about the quality and overall flight dynamics, I'd be really interested in hearing them. Further, I'd sure lend my voice to the idea of a cargo version.

 

Hello,

I just got confused by the term "radio navigation". I always think of it as VOR/DME navigation.

I know before they used VOR/DMEs they had some other type of primitive radio navigation that was used by the boat planes called Radio Direction Finder or RDF. I thought they were talking about it.

So, you say waypoints were made by intersecting two VORs. I'm going to try that. That would add some more depth to flying VOR/DME.

Thank you for your explanation.

 

Of course, I'm no pilot, but in my opinion, the flight dynamics are very good on the DC9.

You are quite correct, in fact. Any navigation that uses radios, whether they be VLF, LF, HF or VHF is "radio navigation". The further back you go, the more you get into LF (low frequency) radios. RDF is low frequency radio navigation, and uses NDB navigation.

 

If you go to www.skyvector.com and select LE Low or high (better Low to start), you'll see the airways for the area you are looking at (zoom in to your home territory first). Where you see triangles along an airway (although not necessarily), those are intersections. Many intersections now are mostly DME distances along a given radial from a VOR station, but often where airways cross, that will also be an intersection. You would have the VOR for the airway you are on tuned on your #1 nav, and your VOR or HSI course set to whatever the airway requires. On your number 2 nav, have that tuned to the airway that's crossing your airway which is creating the intersection. Set your #2 VOR to the airway course line. As you track along your airway, when the #2 VOR needle centres, you know you are at that intersection, and that you have a certain distance to go to the next VOR (that distance is printed on the map).

 

Not sure if that's very clear, but lets say you are on V1 which requires a course of 270 to track to VOR A. You have that set on your number 1 nav. Along the way you have the "cross" intersection - a triangle depicted on your airway, which is formed where V2 crosses V1. V2 we'll say is originating at VOR B to the north (let's say at a 90 degree angle to V1). You tune VOR B on your second Nav, set your #2 VOR course to 180 (going away from FOR B), and when VOR 2 needle centres, you know you are over the "cross" intersection.

 

I've probably just driven you back to your glass cockpit with all that ^_^ , but try it. It's neat and you really do get a feel for how it's all done today because today's navigation has its roots in the above. Good luck and enjoy :smile:

That's a shame. I'm not a big fan of these collaborative efforts as it invariably ends in finger pointing with respect to responsibility over things, and with McPhat new liveries are held hostage until their add-on packs have been given proper time to sell. It's primarily why I don't own the DC9.

You have free liveries hare http://library.flight1.net/?cat=30

Maybe a pic might help?

 

 

 

Starting at the bottom right of the pink line, our route goes from LAM VOR- HEMEL Intersection -BUZAD Intersection - Daventry VOR (just appears as ENTRY cropped pic a bit tight!)

To fly from LAM to HEMEL you'd take the 296 radial from LAM for 23 miles, meanwhile because there's no radio aid at Hemel, you'd select on VOR 2 (the co-pilots VOR) the 331 Radial from BIG VOR, which is 33 miles "behind" Hemel, on airway T420. Fly that radial (charts calculation shows 333, there's often a degree or 2 discrepancy between map courses and computed or even pencil drawn line courses - in those days 5 miles either side of the center line (in UK) was the required accuracy).

This leg is quite short 10 miles, so you'd quickly re-set the course bar of NAV 1 to 309 degrees, and tune in DTY VOR, and when the course bar centralizes on NAV1 (which should be 43 DME from BIG), you set course for DTY.

As you can see, you'd be quite a busy bunny for this section of the route, as all the navaids need to have their identification confirmed by morse code also.

Eugene

Beautiful at first glance. I am holding out until the sounds are redone. Especially the take off roll. They are just not right yet.

Ralph

Beautiful at first glance. I am holding out until the sounds are redone. Especially the take off roll. They are just not right yet.

Ralph

Do you think they will redo the sounds, I know he colud be expensive on the overall but you can buy TSS - DC-9 JT8D HD Sound Pack FSX to intagrate

F1 DC9 50 $

TSSHD 13.99 $

Another optional

Diffrent color for the flightdeck

€12,50

More other livery in SD but with the basepack you got 6 and now in F1 library you can find free livery.

€19,80

 

I don't like the integration price method, but that is the way with this product, maybe the cargo will cost another 12€ maybe not.

Beautiful at first glance. I am holding out until the sounds are redone. Especially the take off roll. They are just not right yet.

Ralph

 

I don't think it will happen, it's been brought up on their forum several times, and their adamant they're good sounds, and to be fair,they have the word of real world long time DC9 Pilots who confirm this.

 

I tried the TSS sounds, and although an improvement, only slightly in my opinion.

Exactly the same debate is raging about the VC sounds of the Caranado BE200, too quite for many, although experienced BE200 pilots say that they are accurate.

Although I look for realism in most things on the flight sim, when it come to sound, I want to hear the sound of those Pratt and Whitney's,

realistic or not!

Hey Overload,

 

When in a take off roll you hear the tires on the pavement and it changes at lift off. At cruse you head a little wind noise and that is all.

I hope someone can get the right sound as this thing is a beauty.

Ralph

Yep, in flight just wind noise, I'd like to hear more turbine sound, realistic or not. I actually prefer the sound of some of the default jets. But it's still an amazing aircraft, raised the bar for analogue VC cockpits.

Hey Overload,

 

When in a take off roll you hear the tires on the pavement and it changes at lift off. At cruse you head a little wind noise and that is all.

I hope someone can get the right sound as this thing is a beauty.

Ralph

 

Well I can't hear much engine sound in this real world video either:

 

When in a take off roll you hear the tires on the pavement and it changes at lift off. At cruse you head a little wind noise and that is all.

I hope someone can get the right sound as this thing is a beauty.

Ralph

Yep, in flight just wind noise, I'd like to hear more turbine sound, realistic or not. I actually prefer the sound of some of the default jets. But it's still an amazing aircraft, raised the bar for analogue VC cockpits.

The DC-9 is one of the quietest cockpit. The sounds are spot on, confirmed from several RW DC-9 skippers.

However if you want louder sounds you can use the following: turn up the sound sliders in FSX eng. ambient etc., Accu-Feel v.2 or use the Audacity sound editing.

Thanks Robert, I've no doubt the sounds are spot on, but this is one of those few times when I prefer an atmospheric ambiance over true fidelity. I've tried the first 2 suggestions, but will have a look at raising the level with Audacity,

Eugene

It's normal not to listen to the engines roar in this aircraft as they are placed in the very end of the plane. It's the same in the LSH maddog md-80.

 

Although, I concur that for someone not familiar with these type of aircraft, it feels strange at the beginning not to hear the engines! :-) it's a matter is habit...

 

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Yes, I really like this model. I think the developer has done an outstanding job here.There are very few developers I'll buy from and these guys are now one of them.  Like every model, there are few very little items that don't work but far too trivial to mention.  You'd have to have a very indepth working knowledge of the real life DC-9 to pick them out. A bit heavy on frames but I'm not complaining. Pretty much the same as my PMDG 737 ngx.

 

 It's all as advertised. The customer support is great and comes right from developer himself. The developer is honest and has a high sense of integrity, a rarity these days in FS payware. Their forum is filled with RL DC-9 pilots ( one who worked closely with the developer to ensure accurate systems and flight dynamics) and they love to help out, share stories and give perspecitves. So that's fun as well. The graphic are very high quality. For anyone sitting on the fence on this plane , don't any longer. It's well worth $50 from my perspecitve. You'll learn tons about the DC-9, and the tutoring system is state of the industry, very inovative, comprehensive, easy to follow and understand.

They even give a 30 day trial. Nothing to loose by trying this one. Chances are very good you'll be keeping it.